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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:31 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

ArmitageCustard wrote:
I have given up eating meat because I don't trust where it has come from, I was bothered about the fact that most animals are killed halal and thought to myself why not give up meat all together so I did.


Fair enought too. I would find it hard to give up but so far have had own and shot on here so know it from birth to plate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmitageCustard wrote:
I have given up eating meat because I don't trust where it has come from, I was bothered about the fact that most animals are killed halal and thought to myself why not give up meat all together so I did.


I'm beginning to agree with you. I prefer fish anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit like the horsemeat fiasco, if I'm eating it, I want to be told.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm more worried about all the crap that is put in our food, after it has been slaughtered.

Food additives or E numbers, antioxidants, colours, emulsifiers, stabilisers, gelling agents and thickeners, just to name a few.

Fruit and veg that has a shelf life of 10-14 days, take an apple from the garden and see how long that lasts.
 
Some years ago Ethylene glycol (anti freeze) in Austrian wine.

As long as the short cuts are making money the large producers will continue to use them, while they find new short cuts.

.........but the answer is simple, stop buying meat, fruit and veg at the supermarkets, and go and support your local small producer.  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Border agree but must say our biggest super market buys local veg also local fish from place that sells to public. Super market is local owned but part of a group. All meat not NZ is marked
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12Bore wrote:
It's a bit like the horsemeat fiasco, if I'm eating it, I want to be told.


Exactly
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hughesy wrote:
The vast majority of halal slaughtered meat in the UK is stunned first.

ok, now I'm confused. I thought that it wasn't, and that that is why there is so much objection to halal.
Not even suggesting that you are wrong, but if that is the case, just what is everyone's problem with it?
Personally I don't have any problem at all per se with halal, only with badly run or big abbatoires, whatever kind.

I lived in a muslim country for several years, and the vast majority of the meat that I ate in that time, came from animals that had no idea what was about to happen, and quite often had no idea that anything was amiss at all. One that I remember clearly, was munching on the weeds at the base of the tree that it was tied to. I looked away to exchange greetings with someone, and when I looked back moments later, it was dead, not even twitching. Like an idiot, I'd been wondering why it had been tied up there, and while I should have known, I'm sure that it had absolutely no idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago me and my dad were in Leeds and walked past the slaughterhouse  we looked in and in one corner there was a rotating crush with a cow upside down with it,s throat cut not a pleasant sight
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've read recently, animals ritually slaughtered for Halal are mostly NOT stunned first. The criterion being that the animal has to be conscious to hear the prayers being said for it as its throat is cut.

Some supermarkets are stipulating that the animal is stunned first, but then it is not truly Halal then is it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islamic halal slaughter requires that the animal has their throat cut and dies by bleeding out, Islam slaughtering can occur both with and without stunning, but in Denmark it only happens with stunning, as that is the law of the land.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Border wrote:
Islamic halal slaughter requires that the animal has their throat cut and dies by bleeding out, but according to Islam slaughtering can occur both with and without stunning, but in Denmark it only happens with stunning as that is the law of the land.


Fair enough.

Can anyone clarify what the law is here?

Obviously it is flexible enough to allow for ritual slaughter for Halal and Kosher,  but really, the whole point of my original post is that over the years, legislation has been brought in to protect the animal's welfare up to the point of slaughter, and, somehow it's now all unravelling behind our backs.


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