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polaris



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:45 am    Post subject: I Wish...  Reply with quote

You have no idea how much I envy all you bee keepers! I love bee's, I adore beeswax and I have an utter obsession with honey. I could watch videos of people processing it on YouTube all day long but until one of two things happens (I get a licence and a willing land doner, or my grandparents die and I get there's....) I won't have the chance to keep bees, my gran is highly allergic, and even if she wasn't the nerves of having bees around would kill her, and the only thing in the whole world my papa is frightened of is bees and wasps after several childhood run ins with the local bee man and wild hives (totally not poaching   ). He learned his lesson well as a child is all I can say.....
But it does make me so jealous to see you all processing your harvest and talking about your bees! One day I WILL have bees, I WILL I WILL I WILL!!  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure your local beekeeping association would welcome a member such as you, with your enthusiasm, with open arms and who knows where it may lead.  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pembroke wrote:
I'm sure your local beekeeping association would welcome a member such as you, with your enthusiasm, with open arms and who knows where it may lead.  


I totally agree

One season (or more) working as an Apiarist's assistant/apprentice would be a sensible introduction. I worked with Keith for a whole season as his apprentice before obtaining Hives for myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth wrote:
Pembroke wrote:
I'm sure your local beekeeping association would welcome a member such as you, with your enthusiasm, with open arms and who knows where it may lead.  


I totally agree

One season (or more) working as an Apiarist's assistant/apprentice would be a sensible introduction. I worked with Keith for a whole season as his apprentice before obtaining Hives for myself.


I'd love too, and it's definitely on the cards for the future, but right now, the combination of locations and lack of driving licence is a killer. I'm not even sure there is more than 1/2 beekeepers within a 70 miles radius.
I'd love to put a bundle of hives on our ground, we have more than enough of it, but it just wouldn't fly with the grandparents right now I've so far talked them into chickens, rabbits, quail, and I'm working on a goat or a pig..... XD  out of curiosity does anyone now how small you can make a hive without it suffering? As a I could possibly get away with some sort of mini version tucked away behind a bush.  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can go half size by using a Nuc-box. These utilise only 5 brood box frames from a National Hive which usually have 10 brood frames (all mine have 11; I managed to squeeze an extra one in each and still maintained "Bee spacing").

Here is a set of simple plans for Nuc-boxes and they are of the type that Keith & use.  We are both over wintering two colonies each in nuc boxes this year in case of loss in any of our main hives.

With a little adaptation you can stack a made to suit 5 frame super box on top of a nuc box so that you can actually obtain Honey and wax from this half size set up, although you will need half of a queen excluder to prevent her getting up into the super and laying eggs on the honey production frames.

A fully assembled Nuc box, of 5 frames with foundation, smeared with a little old honey and wax is an ideal baited trap for catching swarms in springtime.

Here are a set of free plans so you can make 4 nucs from one sheet of plywood.

Instead why not make just two nucs, and then two supers, and sell one of them to finance your project: in-fact I think that I'll do this as one of my winter step-by-step photo projects to share with you all


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth wrote:
You can go half size by using a Nuc-box. These utilise only 5 brood box frames from a National Hive which usually have 10 brood frames (all mine have 11; I managed to squeeze an extra one in each and still maintained "Bee spacing").

Here is a set of simple plans for Nuc-boxes and they are of the type that Keith & use.  We are both over wintering two colonies each in nuc boxes this year in case of loss in any of our main hives.

With a little adaptation you can stack a made to suit 5 frame super box on top of a nuc box so that you can actually obtain Honey and wax from this half size set up, although you will need half of a queen excluder to prevent her getting up into the super and laying eggs on the honey production frames.

A fully assembled Nuc box, of 5 frames with foundation, smeared with a little old honey and wax is an ideal baited trap for catching swarms in springtime.

Here are a set of free plans so you can make 4 nucs from one sheet of plywood.

Instead why not make just two nucs, and then two supers, and sell one of them to finance your project: in-fact I think that I'll do this as one of my winter step-by-step photo projects to share with you all


Click to download file


Thank you so incredibly much for this, it would be perfect, and could easily be placed well away from the house for me to attend under the radar. My grN is petrified of bees, to the point she won't even have many bee friendly flowers in the garden, but there is a lovely sea meadow round the ridge that would suite just fine as well as acres of heather, gorse etc. a man down the road had bees for years in my papas dat and apparently they were extremely productive! There's a lot of wild bees in the area, not sure if there are any honey bees though. Plenty of big lazy bumbles that like to get trapped in the greenhouse!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Polaris


Here is a picture of a commercially available National Bee hive and (1/2 National) Nucleus Box side by side for comparison.



And a (1/2 national) Nuc-box, complete with a (1/2 National) Super, roof section, and a stand. Which in reality makes it a half size national hive.



I hope that makes it clearer for you.  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth wrote:
Hi Polaris


Here is a picture of a commercially available National Bee hive and (1/2 National) Nucleus Box side by side for comparison.



And a (1/2 national) Nuc-box, complete with a (1/2 National) Super, roof section, and a stand. Which in reality makes it a half size national hive.



I hope that makes it clearer for you.  


Absolutely cracking! Definitely a good winter project for me once the greenhouse is renovated. thank you sooo much for the help and advice!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started with 1 hive and now have 15 so watch out once you start its hard to stop lol


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Polaris, I to had made a promise to myself that one day I would have Bees................. in my case I have been on about it for 20 or more years and many of you will have seen my posts where I have aspired to become an Apiarist over the last 7 years here on OTG.

My friend Keith, an established beekeeper of many years just got fed up with listening to me going on and on about it. So one day he turned up at ours and sort of semi forced me into helping him catch and transport a swarm...... what he really wanted was a lift from one side of the city to the other with a swarm in a cardboard box, but he knew that a little action (kick up the arse) was all the incentive I really needed to pull my finger out and get on with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth wrote:
Like Polaris, I to had made a promise to myself that one day I would have Bees................. in my case I have been on about it for 20 or more years and many of you will have seen my posts where I have aspired to become an Apiarist over the last 7 years here on OTG.

My friend Keith, an established beekeeper of many years just got fed up with listening to me going on and on about it. So one day he turned up at ours and sort of semi forced me into helping him catch and transport a swarm...... what he really wanted was a lift from one side of the city to the other with a swarm in a cardboard box, but he knew that a little action (kick up the arse) was all the incentive I really needed to pull my finger out and get on with it.


Hahaha, the funny thing is, I'm a bit like that too, all dreaming sometimes but I'm trying very hard to get as close as possible to "self-sufficient" as I can. So far it's going well and my shopping bill has crashed, and I'm feeling all the better for it. My gran is the biggest hurdle, with her allergies, and I know that with the first jar of honey she would be in love    I just find bees fascinating, having followed them round the garden and TRIED to follow them back to their hive repeatedly as a child.


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