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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:06 am    Post subject: selling our cider  Reply with quote

Have decided that we probably will have enough to sell this year, so Im meeting with the EHO this week (she is really nice).

I will prob do what Bodger has done - TENs from Easter till it runs out.
My issue will be labelling I think.  Our local TS people are a bit slow and 'interesting'.
Im looking at plastic containers mainly, but possibly some bottles too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those not in the know, a TEN's is a temporary events notice.

Lozzer, I'll photo copy some literature of what exactly is needed on your labels.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lozzer, I'll photo copy some literature of what exactly is needed on your labels



That'll be really useful to see Bodger  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Im preparing for Sally's visit (our EHO), and showing my plans/thoughts.  She is really nice and has made it quite clear that she is very supportive of the project (even though she actually hates the taste of cider).
Ive treated my cider with the film yeast.  tasted it first - not vinegary or anything, just a tad sharp, but clear and nice (even at this early stage). A crumb of camden tablet will sort it.

So, looking at bottling/bag in box and final product Im going to conduct an experiement.

The cider exists as a still clear cider.
Sample 1 will keep this as the control.

Sample 2 will be a still sweetened cider (sweetened with splenda)

Sample 3 will be a fizzy unsweetened (ie dry). So primed with sugar.

Sample 4 will be fizzy sweetened.  Primed with sugar and splenda.

Ill check all of them in a week and see what the story is.  Im aware of the bursting bottlew scenario - they will be stored in the freezer shed outside.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have just thought of a question.

Obviously, to satisfy Trading Standards I have to label any cider for sale with an appropriate ABV.  Now, at present I know the ABV of both batches - one is 6.3%, and one is 8%.  Ive based this on the before and after SG readings.
Now if I sell something that is primed, then technically a further fermentation is taking place and this will alter the ABV, but to what?

Also, Im not keen to sell 8% cider, but would like to dilute to 4% (much more sellable in the summer), so would I just assume that diluting the quantity automatically halves the ABV or am I missing something?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much sugar would you put in a 750ml bottle to prime it, taking into account I don't want cider all my workshop.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE EXPERTS say 5g per 500ml bottle.  This assumes you have fermented out to 1.000.

I would assume that it depends how much fizz you want - thats why its a bit of an experiement.  If there is even a tiny amount of live yeast you will get a reaction.  And measuring 5g isnt exact......

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have just found a professional alcohol testing service to verify ABV of a final product.  £17.50 for 2 tests.
Interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lorraine, its going to be well worth you investing in a refractometer like the one that we have.

In the meantime, you'll find this to be of interest.

http://www.welshcider.co.uk/index...task=view&id=37&Itemid=36
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John

dont you have to send samples off to have them analysed?  I would imagine this is what the EHO will require me to do.  Is using a refractometer enough?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly is. Alcohol strength has nothing to do with the EHO. Its down to trading standards, who will test your cider if they think it necessary.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meeting went well.  She is more than happy with our process & facilities and is putting me in touch with someone at Wadebridge re the labelling requirements.  Re testing, she says it would be good for us to get ABV, sulphites and to establish shelf life.
So, a good visit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you adhere to the amount of sulphites recommended, there isn't any need to have quantities tested. if you check out all the cider labels in the shops, they all state " may contain sulphites for freshness"
You are required by law to state ABV but there is a small margin for error that you're allowed.
Our cider has been tested by the relevant groups as in the EHO and Trading standards. They've wanted the tests done and they've paid to have it done. Don't go down the route of paying for the tests yourself. It will add an inhibitive cost to your enterprise. Work on the principle of using best practice and if they want to test it, then they pay for it to be done.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about shelf life?  Are you putting this on the label, EHO has suggested a seperate label for this (with ABV & volume).

Now Im looking at quotes for short run labels....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A best by date is required for apple juice but not for cider.

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