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gorlan



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: log maker  Reply with quote

got this log-maker from a charity shop today for £2,still in the box      

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great fun but now try to get enough paper to make them    we used to make them when we lived in town, they are great and easy to stack when dry. Summer is better for getting everyone you know to give you their paper. Have fun we did    
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with the "its too much effort" camp.

Better to spend the same amount of time collecting free firewood.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Justme, on this one.
Some years ago they were the "in" thing to have, but I found they were more trouble than they were worth.

I never found the blocks burnt that well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have one,

Used it a few time but decided the mess and time was not worth it.

If you had enough people helping, a BBQ going and a few beers I expect it would be more fun  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had one thirty odd years ago and binned it. The water was freezing cold on the hands and the finished article didn't work particularly well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alas, my experiences of one of these newspaper log compactors reflects that of the other posters.

However, I am going to actually praise the use of it when making 95% Horse manure plus 5% papier-mâché blocks for burning as winter fuel.

You may recall this post on the subject of Horse manure fuel from a while ago. http://overthegate.myfreeforum.org/about25823

My very good friend Mikki has had exceptional results so far this winter burning Horse manure and paper fuel blocks pressed into shape using one of these log makers. Granted she did make them during the summer months, and the blocks did take 3-4 weeks to sufficiently dry out (under cover during our very wet and humid summer) to use as a fuel. But she is only burning 3 or 4 of the blocks each evening on her open fire in the living room and another 3 or 4 in her woodburner in the other room. It took her about 5 hours to make and rack just over 200 manure and paper fuel blocks, and in total she made about 600 of them for this winter. When stacked after properly drying out, all 600 fuel blocks only took up approximately the same floor area as a standard Euro pallet does in her garden shed. At her current rate of consumption, each 200 batch of fuel blocks equates to 25 to 33 days of fuel for only about 5 hours work.

Mikki's house has been toasty warm all this winter, the fuel does not stink of horse or manure when burning, and there is very little ash left over.

I think this is a rather economically and efficient fuel, and I don't know why the many of you who have horses do not follow Mikki's example..................... after all a horse is only a feed bill in the front end, a vets bill in middle, a farriers bill in each corner, and a pile of shit out of the rear......... you may as well utilise what you are going to have plenty of to off-set the costs of the rest of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth .....there is another income from horse, I believe the Irish put horse meat in their hamburgers.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading Gareth's post , I had a wee shot this using the horse bedding, shavings and dung  ! I had a lot of old P.V.A.  glue so I just poured some into the mix, waste not want not , after making these about 12 month ago I put them in an old cold frame and forgot about them  
A few weeks ago I refound them and gave them to my daughter for her multifuel stove, she is delighted with the results , so it looks like I'm going to be up to my elbows in deep ----- again .
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting info Gareth and Confused   thank you for that. Worth remembering and passing along.

I know that traditional Indian families mention (now shame faced about it in their more 'civilized' children's houses) that they used to cook over dried cow dung and it smelled sweet, that it burnt evenly with a good cooking heat, left little ash and what it did leave was good to use on the land.
Prairie coal it was called in the North America grasslands.

Those paper log makers make decentish 'logs' for camping, if you save up all the scrap wax from things like edam cheese or the overpriced wee truckles of assorted cheeses at Christmas as well as the stubs of candles.
The best bit is that you don't need to soak the paper to pulp first, just melt the wax (I keep a pot bought from the local poundstore for the wax) and pour it through warmed paper that's been crumpled up (carrier bag of crumpled newspaper put someplace warm…it lets the wax soak in without just clogging up into lumps before it sets) and pack it tight into the mould. Line the mould first with some waxed paper and it makes a really good log that's ready wrapped.

It burns hot and bright though, so no idea how it would do on a housefire or woodburning stove. Good on a campfire and it lights easily, and it there's a fair amount of wax in it, it doesn't get damp easily either.

Just mind and wait until the wax won't run before the paper is packed into the press.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikki moved house from Norwich, 15 or so miles down the road to Wymondham last autumn, and this winter she has heated her whole house and water by burning manure fuel bricks, only this time they are an approx 50/50 mix of Horse and chopped straw semi deep litter Pig manure.

Again there is no smell when it is burning and apart from a few hours graft, it has cost her absolutely nothing to heat her house and water all winter.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth wrote:
.... after all a horse is only a feed bill in the front end, a vets bill in middle, a farriers bill in each corner, and a pile of shit out of the rear......... you may as well utilise what you are going to have plenty of to off-set the costs of the rest of it.


That's got to be the 'Quote of the month'  

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikki made about 150, 50/50 horse/pig muck fuel blocks last weekend while Lois and I were away in Wales for a few days.

I am going down to see her on Saturday, and I am sure I'll get pressed into helping her make even more manure fuel blocks in anticipation of colder months to come.

She didn't pay a single penny to heat her house and to heat most of her hot water last winter.

I know that winter's a way off yet, but you have to make hay (or in this case manure fuel blocks) while the sun is shining.  


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