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Seabird



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:15 pm    Post subject: Halal meat  Reply with quote

Does it bother you if the meat you buy is slaughtered by halal methods?

I ask this because I heard of someone picking up a pack of beefburgers in our local Asda, and asked the staff what 'HA' in small letters signified. The staff did not know, but a quick search on the internet revealed it meant 'Halal'.

I then found this article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...aughtered-meat-dont-label-it.html

So basically, most restaurants and supermarkets are selling us Halal meat, and don't have to label it as such.

As a reluctant and very picky meat eater I find this just as offensive as a Muslim would when served non-Halal.

The answer, I know, is to buy locally from a trusted butcher, but even then, a local news article this week flagged up The Welsh Food Centre, which sells Welsh food at premium prices having been caught selling gammon which was sourced from Belgium. Their answer? It was 'processed' in Wales!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have abattoirs set up so that not only is the meat inspected for health but supposedly so that the slaughtering is humane.

Is it just me ? or do others wonder just how humane halal is ?

I don't even eat meat, but I do feed it to my husband. I want to know that the beast he's eating not only had a decent, if short, life, but ended it as peacefully as we can manage.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I eat meat, but like you Toddy, I want to know it's had a decent life and a quick stress free death.

As I understand it, proper ritually slaughtered halal animals have their throats cut without being stunned. A lot of halal meat producers are now saying that their animals are stunned - but how do we verify this?

Restaurants, supermarkets, schools and hospitals are, apparently, now using halal all the time so that Muslims can eat their food.

So hang on a minute! What about those of us who are offended by ritual slaughter? We are being kept ignorant.

I don't know if there are any meat producers on here who sell animals on - how would you feel if your animals were ritually slaughtered without your knowledge?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a large meat eater, and eat meat daily in one form or another.

I would rather have halal meat, then I would have meat that has been slaughtered by shechita the Jewish method of slaughter.

Animals involved the Jewish method, cannot receive any form of pre-slaughter stunningl.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesnt bother me in the slightest,  i know it is cnsidered to be less humane than the normal uk slaugher methods but i think there is probsbly as many bad practices in some UK slaughter houses.
I have heard many arguments for and against in my line of work but have never delved deeply into it but the best reasoning I have heard (not checked if it's true) is that so long as the meat has the correct blessing uttered over it before it is consumed it is considered halal,  this includes saying the blessing over the meal after it is cooked and before it is eaten just as Christians say Grace.....
p.s. I'm pretty sure the ha on the pack is a packing code rather than meaning it's halal, or at least that's the story I heard.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Border wrote:
I'm a large meat eater, and eat meat daily in one form or another.

I would rather have halal meat, then I would have meat that has been slaughtered by shechita the Jewish method of slaughter.

Animals involved the Jewish method, cannot receive any form of pre-slaughter stunningl.


But restaurants and catering establishments aren't automatically serving kosher meat across the board. My argument is that we are being served halal without knowing it and without being consulted. According to that article in my original post, supermarkets can sell halal meat without even labelling it as such. And according to the table in the article, not all animals are stunned.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By choice I wouldn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's it.
By choice, I wouldn't buy it for my husband.

Just as well the blighter likes pork then, isn't it ? and venison, pheasant, wild duck and pigeons, and we know the fellow who shoots them, and trust me, it's clean shot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vast majority of halal slaughtered meat in the UK is stunned first. To satisfy the Islamic  custom it is bled by a muslim after stunning, just the same as if it was done non-halal. Pretty much all the lamb you see in the supermarkets has been halal slaughtered. It makes no difference to the meat whatsoever. If you don't want to eat halal meat stick to pork.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be perfectly honest I reckon that a lot of meat producers - not all, but a lot will label the meat to whatever is the most advantageous, to whatever the gets the sale, a bit like the way Bodger talked about getting vegetables with an organic label on them but when they are from the likes of Kenya, well how do you know etc. It used to bother me that I may have eaten halal but when I mentioned it to a veggie I know she said something about the animal not being bothered about the method of dying but rather much preferring to be alive  
I must admit I have never looked at the label to see how the animal was slaughtered but always look to see how it was reared.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bodger wrote:
By choice I wouldn't.


Exactly

However, it seems that the choice is being taken from us unless we are VERY careful where we buy our meat, and never eat out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't want to eat any of it and don't want all being done that way to suit one lot. All our meat is as they are eating hay or meal ant .22 between the eyes animal drops throat cut 'good un' No stress of travel strange place/smells of fear. If we eat out I always have fish as we can't afford to eat it much   and no meat tastes as good as ours, we take best one   before rest go to works
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesnt bother me in the slightest,  i know it is cnsidered to be less humane than the normal uk slaugher methods but i think there is probsbly as many bad practices in some UK slaughter houses.
I have heard many arguments for and against in my line of work but have never delved deeply into it but the best reasoning I have heard (not checked if it's true) is that so long as the meat has the correct blessing uttered over it before it is consumed it is considered halal,  this includes saying the blessing over the meal after it is cooked and before it is eaten just as Christians say Grace.....
p.s. I'm pretty sure the ha on the pack is a packing code rather than meaning it's halal, or at least that's the story I heard.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link below shows which supermarkets and restaurants sell and mark their meat as halal slaughtered.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodan...-restaurants-sell-halal-meat.html

Halal slaughtered meat in our supermarkets and restaurants is all part of the muslim master plan.

The following is also interesting,

The latest census suggests there are 2.7 million Muslims in the UK, with a spending power estimated in the region of 20bn.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have given up eating meat because I don't trust where it has come from, I was bothered about the fact that most animals are killed halal and thought to myself why not give up meat all together so I did.

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