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freckle

What do people think of English Setters?

Was thinking about getting an English Setter pup a few weeks back, with a view to ultimately breeding, then read a KC article about the fact they are now considered an at risk breed due to low numbers of pups registered last year, then found a magazine article today about them again with reference to their decline......so has got me thinking again!
I "grew up" with English setters as our neighbours and family friends had some, so for me they are nothing unususal. I remember them being lovely friendly dogs and a lot of fun-even as a very young child. A bit slobbery maybe.....
Has anyone any experience of them, particularly of them as working dogs?
lilwitedogs

My first dog was an English Setter.  He was a wonderful dog.  He was not a working dog, but he went most everywhere with me and was a cheerful, smart, friendly dog.  He was big enough to make strangers think twice about getting out of their car to knock on the door.  He would not have hurt a fly, and the second time he saw the same car, he didn't bark. (The first time someone drove in, he'd let us know we were being invaded.) I loved him.
12Bore

Our last Minister used to breed and show setters, to Crufts standard, they were lovely dogs, great temperaments  
barraboy

there a significant difference in the look of a working and show setter, they are quite difficult to find in the UK but i believe very popular in Scandinavia and the US

http://www.englishsetterclub.co.uk/pages/gallery.aspx?gallery=20110718

http://www.englishsetterassociati...11%20show/Open%20Show%202011.html

i think the two galleries illustrate it better than i.

http://www.englishsetterclub.co.uk/default.aspx

i hope you do opt to get involved in the working setter scene and more power to your elbow [ive no idea why people say that but they often do ]
freckle

Definitely would be looking at the working type. Would just need a lot of research and working with other breeders to try and expand the gene pool!
marlin vs

Crufts standard dog's are not worth looking at, a working setter is smaller and 1000 times better.
sekoliver

English Setters

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>>Definitely would be looking at the working type. Would just need a lot of research and working with other breeders to try and expand the gene pool!<<


Freckles, Setters are 'my' breed, and research isn't necessary! The working English Setter has a HUGE gene pool, and are being successfully bred by working folk all over the world. It's the 'show' type which are in decline.

There are a lot of health problems currently appearing in the show English, and some real hard work needs to be done on the part of the K.Club and breeders to get the show breed back to its original healthy self. Breeding them as a 'financial venture' would not only be wrong for the breed, but won't get you very far. Litters of 9-12 were common 10 years ago, but these days most litters are born with less than half that - and many bitches miss altogether...... Nature's way of saying something's going wrong.
bodger

An excellent third post sekoliver. The same can be said of so many breeds that the KC and show folk have got their hands on.
freckle

Re: English Setters

sekoliver wrote:
Quote:
>>Definitely would be looking at the working type. Would just need a lot of research and working with other breeders to try and expand the gene pool!<<


Freckles, Setters are 'my' breed, and research isn't necessary! The working English Setter has a HUGE gene pool, and are being successfully bred by working folk all over the world. It's the 'show' type which are in decline.

There are a lot of health problems currently appearing in the show English, and some real hard work needs to be done on the part of the K.Club and breeders to get the show breed back to its original healthy self. Breeding them as a 'financial venture' would not only be wrong for the breed, but won't get you very far. Litters of 9-12 were common 10 years ago, but these days most litters are born with less than half that - and many bitches miss altogether...... Nature's way of saying something's going wrong.


Would definitely be working type we would go into but having asked around locally no one seems to rate them to work! I don't think we have the right kind of shooting as they are apparently better for grouse over moorland? We would hopefully work the bitch-well OH and sons would!! Would be interested to hear about your experiences and knowledge of anyone local to us (York area). Not forging ahead as we have a litter of labs due in a couple of weeks and are still plodding on with house renovation.

(Just in case you missed that Bodge we have a litter of Fox Red Labs on the way........ )
bodger

I'm tempted but we still have Doodles black Lab here and she'd probably be able to eat any new pup before breakfast.
barraboy

setters, same as pointers, are used up on on the moors exclusively in the UK. not sure about elsewhere. however, there seems to be a strong society etc which im sure could sort out opportunities, and York is pretty much on the doorstep of plenty of grouse moorland.
kisatchie

i know i am late to this post but english setters are near and dear to my heart. i grew up hunting with them for bobwhite quail here in the south.
as an FYI, there are still good numbers of quality hunters in the midwest used for pheasant , quail , woodcock , and grouse.
the dogs bred only for show lose their hunting traits fast , i have not seen a good hunting irish setter in a long time.
Dave C

As others have said, they are mainly used on the Grouse Moors, being wide ranging, if you have no contacts on a Grouse Shoot, you could try your local Pointer / HPR Club, they also run pointing trials through out the summer which anyone can enter, not everyones cup of tea but they have a very large following.

Get along to your local club and make some contacts.

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