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bodger

What 4x4?

Its looks as though we're going to be buying a  4x4. My question is easy. Which one's should I consider and which should I avoid.
It will be needed for occasional towing on the road and must be comfortable. Off roading wont be that important.
olde9856

Has to be a Jeep, will do everything a Landy will do at a fraction of the price and my Patriot does almost 40 to the gallon and 28 when towing.
olde9856

And very comfortable for 5 adults
camillitech

Anything but a Land Rover   and preferably Japanese    

I've had Land Rover's and Range Rovers since 1978 and bought my current 110 in 2001. They may well be the best 4 x 4 'off road' by far but they're small, oily, expensive and require constant maintenance.

Sure, they'll go 'anywhere' and parts for 50 year old ones are still readily available and cheap. However who 'really' needs to go anywhere and keeps a 28 year old vehicle as their 'daily driver' these days, well apart from me  



I really should buy a Ranger, L200 or HiLux
sod

Mitzy L200 double cab as I have saidsaid we have petrol n diesel both great. We have older one 86 to 94 ones that have a LSD standard here so 2wd goes a long way off road till I got our petrol one stuck on Tuesday     in 8inch deep sticky mud while feeding out BUT think bald tyres didn't help    new 'all terrains' on rear  so no problem to-day but had 4wd on standby with snatch strap   also bit drier (not raining) It tow 2.5t on tandem trailer (broken toyota surf 4wd  on trailer    )
HonkHonk

The last 4x4 I owned was a Vauxhall/Isuzu pick up, it was very good, pulled like a train but for some reason hard to get spares for it, I also heard the same about Isuzu wagons so for that reason I would keep away from them, i've had 2 land rovers, forever having to do jobs on them resulting in me being constantly skint when I had them, I had a Tata Loadbeta - never again!, my neighbour has had 2 Ford Rangers, the engines seem to pack up at around 100k miles.
I think if I was to look for another my first choice would be a Toyta Hilux then a Mitsubishi L200 a close 2nd.
bodger

Thanks for the info so far. I was considering a Kia up until a few days ago. My daughter has one but this week, something has gone wrong with the 4 wheel drive on it and a quick google has revealed that its something they are prone to.
MrsWW

Which Kia is it Bodger?
chickenstu

[quote="camillitech:319472"]Anything but a Land Rover   and preferably Japanese    

I've had Land Rover's and Range Rovers since 1978 and bought my current 110 in 2001. They may well be the best 4 x 4 'off road' by far but they're small, oily, expensive and require constant maintenance.

Sure, they'll go 'anywhere' and parts for 50 year old ones are still readily available and cheap. However who 'really' needs to go anywhere and keeps a 28 year old vehicle as their 'daily driver' these days, well apart from me  


my heart says Landy, my head says Japanese, your 110 does look very nice
Lode lane products do have a good re sale value, lots of pervs like buy them!
bodger

MrsWW wrote:
Which Kia is it Bodger?


A Sorento Teri
Dave C

I had a sportage, only had it 2 months was rubbish off-road.

It all depends how comfortable you want it,how much you want to tow and how much you want to pay?

For a comfortable SUV type that is good off-road I had a Mitsibushi Outlander that was an excellent all rounder.

I now have a Mitsibushi L200, not so good on juice but a good puller and excellent off-road.
MrsWW

bodger wrote:
MrsWW wrote:
Which Kia is it Bodger?


A Sorento Teri


I've bought a new Kia Sportage recently and love it!
Dave C

That will be the new shape (they look real nice) I had the old shape and it was less than adaquate for any kind of off roading
MrsWW

No off roading for me but it does look very nice.
flipance

I will stick with my Chevy, 5.7L. It does what I what it to do.
hughesy

I'm sticking with my Defender simply because I can fix it myself if needed and it's a proper utility vehicle suitable for my needs, ie I can clean the inside with a bucket of water chucked in through the door! Very much a dinosaur to drive though and probably 90% of people would hate it.
chicken feed

had assorts of 4 x 4's over the years including brand spanking new ones the defender is the only one we have found can fit all our needs. the isuzu pick up we brought brand new could legally tow what we asked of it however the load made it feel very light on the steering. so when i was asked which truck i wanted to keep in our downsizing i picked the R reg defender over the 3 year old isuzu. the dodge ram was possibly the worst 4 x 4 we have owned pretty to look at but pretty useless for work !!.

we keep toying with the idea of upgrading the defender but as its never let us down i keep draging my heels !!!.

it gets us all around the country with a twin decked trailer, not the most comfortable drive but it ticks all the boxes for us.  
Dave C

The other one I thought of is the Xtrail, if it's only towing you are doing and comfort.
camillitech

Anyone know anything about Suzuki Vitara diesels ? I'm thinking of buying one for the wife.

Cheers, Paul
chicken feed

had one gave us no problems at all. as a run about it was fine just not practical for what we do now.
sod

Dave C agree L200s are a tad thirsty  

flipance would love one but very few here and could not afford the fuel bill
Border

Put your "pass the spanner" land rovers at the bottom of your list.

Go Jap mate, I have tried most 4x4's and have an L200 at the moment, but the last 4 have been Toyota Hi Lux's.

Next time I change I will go back to Hi Lux, not that the L200 has anything wrong with it, just a bit thirsty.

If you are going down the pick-up way, then get one with a double cab and four doors. This allows you to take a couple of extra people with you if necessary, plus the extra doors makes getting your gear in and out much easier.

Now if you want a bit of luxury then a Toyota Land Cruiser will fit the bill, plenty of room and horsepower.

Jap every time.
HonkHonk

camillitech wrote:
Anyone know anything about Suzuki Vitara diesels ? I'm thinking of buying one for the wife.

Cheers, Paul


I didn't think they made a diesel Vitara! have looked a few times but could never find one  
camillitech

HonkHonk wrote:
camillitech wrote:
Anyone know anything about Suzuki Vitara diesels ? I'm thinking of buying one for the wife.

Cheers, Paul


I didn't think they made a diesel Vitara! have looked a few times but could never find one  


Aye Honk,

they do a 1.9 and 2.0, the 1.9 is a Peugeot engine, not so sure about the newer 2.0 though.
12Bore

If you're not going off roading, what about a Skoda, either an Octavia estate or a Yeti?
Good 2ltr diesel engine, comfortable, economical, excellet tow cars.
A mate has the Yeti and regularly tows his boat from Loch Lomond to Norfolk, and back (not on the same day!) he also has a good sized caravan which the Yeti pulls easily - better than the 3.3ltr V6 Frontera that he used to have, and MUCH better on fuel.
HonkHonk

camillitech wrote:
HonkHonk wrote:
camillitech wrote:
Anyone know anything about Suzuki Vitara diesels ? I'm thinking of buying one for the wife.

Cheers, Paul


I didn't think they made a diesel Vitara! have looked a few times but could never find one  


Aye Honk,

they do a 1.9 and 2.0, the 1.9 is a Peugeot engine, not so sure about the newer 2.0 though.


I just googled it    they all seem to be quite new, it was a few years ago I was looking for one, all I done was search for Vitara on eBay all they came up with was 1.6l petrol in them days  haha  
cold comfort farm

Questions

Hi Bodger,
May I ask a few questions,
What do you need it for and whats your budget.

I have had landies for 25+years and currently have a discovery 1 300tdi,  Its a straight engine very little ECU controlled and I know I will have to weld the boot and arches at some time but I am OK with that.  It tows well and when carrying anything I use the trailer.  A pickup would be good for around the farm if there is two of you.  A crew cab is a half way house but you cant easily see out of the back if you are backing trailers like I  do.   They all break when you dont want them to or cant afford it.  

I have had a kia sportage as a company car and a decent set of tyres it went most places the landy will go however there is a central diff on them which clunks from time to time.  Still very well engineered though.  I would have another one given the choice.
chickenstu

I loved my old trooper, 3.1 Lwb, but once the horses went we did not need such a big truck any more. Got part shares in a diesel honda crv, with it's winter tyres it got us out of trouble plenty of times in the last bad winter. It tows my sheep trailer just fine, great on fuel and comfortable. It will just never cross the Sahara. I quiet fancy a Subaru legacy outback for a work horse, they are cheap to buy, have a great rep, not that economically, but I would not be doing that many miles in it.
webley

Subaru forester are very good. Insurance is a bit saucy due to the wrx engine they are fitted with. Good for towing and light off roading and all the mod cons inside.

I thought about a discovery once but was put off by my mechanic who said to let him know when I get it so he can get plenty of head gaskets in stock.

It seems to be the general opinion on most forums when asked the which 4x4 question that jap is the way to go.

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