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Fey Dunnabitt

Waste of space?

In central Brittany, where I used to live, there’s a landfill site projected, which would pollute the source of the River Ellé and would undoubtedly cause many other hideous problems, as it would belong to and be run by GDE – that’s Guy Dauphin Environement, one of the companies (the main one) responsible for the terrible toxic waste dumping in Abidjan, Ivory Coast, a few years ago – just Google for Probo Koala Abidjan if you don’t remember.  GDE have a horrific record of causing ‘accidental’ wildfires, of stripping and dumping all sorts of toxicities, but (or perhaps I should say, “therefore”) they are the wealthiest and most successful and powerful waste disposal company in France. The 165 hectares they’ve bought and propose to turn into a dump (possibly for nuclear waste in the future, but no-one’s making a clear statement about that) are farmland and were wanted by local farmers, but – oh surprise – the SAFER did not intervene and the land was quietly sold to GDE.

The main waste to be buried there would be from automobiles of every descrition -  150 000 tonnes a year for 20 years - and that's just what they decare...

It would be appreciated if people would sign the petition at
http://www.mesopinions.com/detail...=b30b117380f27214620a88cddc676634
not forgetting that you have to validate your siignature by clicking on the link they’ll send in an email.

The information about the campaign is all here (many pages in French and some in English,too.) http://www.npcb.info/

I know this is in Brittany, but 'No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.'    John Donne (1572 - 1631)

and they work in the U.K., too. http://www.gderecyclage.com/uk/

Last time the Sunday Times published its Rich List, I noticed that packaging maufacturers and waste disposal operatives were moving up among the wealthiest people/companies in the world.
Fey Dunnabitt

Sorry – I think I wrote about this before. I just feel frustrated, because they aren’t doing anything. Before I left Brittany, I wrote lots of letters and collected dozens of addresses of M.P’s and newspapers and so on and did so much work and offered so much help about stopping this proposed landfill site, but a few people had formed a tight little commitee and were refusing every offer and proposal, saying that they had it all in hand, etc. So I just sent all my letters and then I had to leave and didn’t know what was happening. Now, nine months later, I look it up and, gosh, they’ve got a blog, wow, and about 1,000 signatures on petitions, gosh wow, and have had another ‘positive’ meeting with the mayor, goshwow, and that’s all – nothing else has been done, nothing has happened. GDE are going to be really, really impressed and frightened by a blog and a petition, I don’t think. Such a pity, because the French are really good at demonstrating and striking, when they want to – look at all the blockades and burnings they do about petrol prices or low wages or British sheep. So that’s that – the dump will go ahead, I’m sure. It was stupid of me to ask anyone to to sign a petition anyway, because petitions are pretty useless, as I told them – politicians say that one letter from a constituent = 3,000 signatures on a petition. They’ve got 1,000, so that’s the equivalent of 1/3 of a letter. Pathetic.  Anyway, sorry I wasted cyber-space here, writing about it.
mogs

sometimes fey, it helps to write things down. sometimes it helps to share things.
it is good to release our anger and frustrations, which you appear to have had a lot of.

as for posting things here, why not? you carry on, after all, we dont have to read it or reply to it, we all have choices, and if it helps you by posting on a forum, then surely that is good....

and to be honest IMHO, that is all petitions do.......voice our opinions, vent our anger or passion over something, personally i dont think they really do any good in the main....but we have voiced ( or written )our feelings, and that can be theraputic......if the petition does stir someone else into action then that too is good.

what a shame you could not have stayed there and fought for the cause.....perhaps you could have done a lot in the 9 months from the time you left then took it up again, perhaps not.

this is the trouble when you move about a lot ( well, in my experience anyway ) you never put down roots. nowhere is actually home. most of the time you are just an onlooker, and not taken seriously, ( in the locals eyes you are just passing thru so cannot change things or even make a difference, as the staying power or stamina to see things thru till the end is not there, and the locals realise this, so travellers are not listened to or taken seriously. hope that makes sence. )

but your imagination is wonderful. your descriptions are lovely of people and places in the spanish area you post about on here. enjoy that, and be comforted by the knowledge that you have done your part, albeit a small one, and that things have moved slightly in the right direction, they have a blog now so people are aware of the situation you speak of, whether you were instrumental in setting it up or not.

alternatively, if you really feel that strong about the cause, go back to the area and fight for it. take the lead, join the blog, do anything and everything you possibly can. but if you can do no more, then perhaps there is something in the area you speak of in spain that needs another voice added to it.....
Fey Dunnabitt

sometimes fey, it helps to write things down. sometimes it helps to share things.
it is good to release our anger and frustrations, which you appear to have had a lot of.

as for posting things here, why not? you carry on, after all, we dont have to read it or reply to it, we all have choices, and if it helps you by posting on a forum, then surely that is good....  

and to be honest IMHO, that is all petitions do.......voice our opinions, vent our anger or passion over something, personally i dont think they really do any good in the main....but we have voiced ( or written )our feelings, and that can be theraputic......if the petition does stir someone else into action then that too is good.


Well, Mogs, it’s very nice of you to try to cheer me up, but it’s really not a matter of cheering anyone up, in fact the less people get cheered up about these things, the better – we should all be raging and shouting and weeping and refusing, not cheering up.  It doesn’t help me if I share things and it’s not a matter of helping me, anyway – what’d help would be if more people, a lot of people, could open their eyes and see the things that are happening, not just as separate headlines or news items, but for what they are, really. It’s not a matter of releasing anger or frustrations – it’s a matter of achieving change and I think that, as you say about petitions, it’s the same with internet forums – people sign a petition, or write about something in a forum (or discuss it at the pub) and they feel as though that’s made a difference, whereas in fact it sometimes achieves the opposite of what’s needed and has only dissipated their justified rage or fears, which should be used to make changes. If I were a clever politician or ruler, I’d make sure people could discuss, shout, protest, demonstrate – because it allows them to let off steam and they’re more likely to shut up afterwards and not have a revolution. I suppose therapeutic would be to stop caring, ut how can one not care?

It’s not a matter of anything being therapeutic for me or for you or for anyone else who protests – it’s a matter of being not-untherapeutic/not-murderous for the earth, water, air, animals, plants and insects.
Yes, they did take some of my suggestions,quite a few, but not enough and without the energy needed, but I don’t care about that. I’ve led and taken part in so many campaigns and I know that it needs a lot of energy and not getting bogged down in commitee-stuff or me-me-me-stuff.

what a shame you could not have stayed there and fought for the cause.....perhaps you could have done a lot in the 9 months from the time you left then took it up again, perhaps not.
this is the trouble when you move about a lot ( well, in my experience anyway ) you never put down roots. nowhere is actually home. most of the time you are just an onlooker, and not taken seriously, ( in the locals eyes you are just passing thru so cannot change things or even make a difference, as the staying power or stamina to see things thru till the end is not there, and the locals realise this, so travellers are not listened to or taken seriously. hope that makes sence. )


Well, I couldn’t do much there, as I was almost completely bedridden and very ill. Yes, it makes sense, but in this instance, it was nothing to do with being a traveller – they didn’t know that, anyway. It’s just that GDE aren’t stupid and chose places where the population is thin on the ground or not very evolved in such matters. After all, they killed 16 people immediately in Abidjan and made many tens of thousands more ill for life (or later death) yet they managed to get off with paying a fine of 157,000€ - a morning’s pocket money to the Dauphin brothers. It’ll be when the whole river Ellé is poisoned, the salmon all dead, children and adults getting leukemia and other cancers and diseases, that they’ll start to undertsand, too late.

Even if they don’t put the site there, it’ll go somewhere else. It’s happening everywhere; it’s happening right now, near you, but hardly anybody takes the time to read information in detail and hardly anybody really knows or believes what’s happening – which is why it won’t stop till it’s too late.

but your imagination is wonderful. your descriptions are lovely of people and places in the spanish area you post about on here. enjoy that, and be comforted by the knowledge that you have done your part, albeit a small one, and that things have moved slightly in the right direction, they have a blog now so people are aware of the situation you speak of, whether you were instrumental in setting it up or not.
Yes, I did a lot, considering how short the time was, but it’s all gone sluggish and most people don’t really get it, or perhaps they don’t care anyway. At least in Brittany there’s some chance, though, because the people are different from the rest of France and nearly all the local parish councils have voted against the dump now.

You see, it’s not just that particular dump – if it doesn’t go there, it’ll have to go somewhere, that’s the trouble, and governments and councils will always give the contract to the lowest tenderer or to whoever has private/commercial connections or pays good back-handers or super holidays on tropical islands , rather than to the company who might at least do the disposal legally. (I can’t say correctly, because there’s no correct way to fill the earth with toxins and synthetics.) That’s why I resurrected the slogan from when we stopped the plan to tunnel underneath central Brittany and bury all France’s nuclear waste there – Ni ici, ni ailleurs, mais autrement – not here, not elsewhere, but otherwise – but unless the whole system changes, it’s just a matter of shoving the problem away to another site, or else they might be using these landfull sites for temporarystorage of nuclear waste as well as all the other cr*p.

Look at electronics – so many of the things we use every day – we thionk that, if we take them back to a shop or to a special section of the “recycling centre”, then they’ll be dismantled and “recycled” (vague and dubious term) safely. They’re not, though – many are just dumped in landfill or sent to China or they’re shipped to Africa as “fit for use” and that’s where they’re just dumped on open tips, where young boys earn a meagre living by stripping them with bare hands. They’re full of dangerous, but valuable, materials.

I posted here once before some links to web pages about illegal dumping in Wales. I think it was on OTG that I posted them. That was Monsanto.  GDE are equally high-principled.

alternatively, if you really feel that strong about the cause, go back to the area and fight for it. take the lead, join the blog, do anything and everything you possibly can. but if you can do no more, then perhaps there is something in the area you speak of in spain that needs another voice added to it

Perhaps? Perhaps?! You can’t wake up in the morning without seeing things that desperately need changing. I’ve been campaigning for over fifty years and I suppose I’ll continue, despite the obvious pointlessness of it (and the fact that it makes one vastly unpopular, of course.)

No, I’m not interested in whether I’m cheered up, but I do wish people could/would understand how things are run and not be so innocent or ignorant or laissez-faire or whatever it is. Still, in a civilisation that worships St. Jade of Unreality (the perfect product of and ‘icon’ for our times, even dying of a disease induced by the modern way of life that made her 'celebrated' - no, not a criticism of Ms. Goody, but of the society that created, paid, destroyed, pitied, adored and sanctified her) and where people think meat comes from Tesco's, there’s really no hope.
mogs

Fey, i am with you on this one......

No, I’m not interested in whether I’m cheered up, but I do wish people could/would understand how things are run and not be so innocent or ignorant or laissez-faire or whatever it is. Still, in a civilisation that worships St. Jade of Unreality (the perfect product of and ‘icon’ for our times, even dying of a disease induced by the modern way of life that made her 'celebrated' - no, not a criticism of Ms. Goody, but of the society that created, paid, destroyed, pitied, adored and sanctified her) and where people think meat comes from Tesco's, there’s really no hope.

and to be honest i am with most of what you say elsewhere. but i am not specially trying to cheer you up you know, but trying to poss put some perspective on what you say.
the problem has to be tackled head on.
you are IMHO saying that a blog is not good enough, but at least thos on there are aware of the problem dont you agree.

i was always taught that '' actions speak louder than words ''

what do you suggest should be done ?

I’ve led and taken part in so many campaigns and I know that it needs a lot of energy and not getting bogged down in commitee-stuff or me-me-me-stuff.

and have you achieved your goal?

while i am not saying protests, campaigns should not take place, what i am saying is, do they actually do any good?

Education is the key, this new generation now, is being educated in the world and it being destroyed, and perhaps they can reverse some of the damage that has been done...( or at last halt any more destruction )...but to me it is like a cancer, it will only go into remission, then come back with vengence.
99% of things on this planet produce waste..including humans.....manufacturers produce waste from their products, where is that waste to go? no matter where it goes, it will eventually come out into the water table ( unless it is seald in lead caskets, and even lead is toxic )
and this planet cannot survive without water.
no matter what is used then disguarded has nowhere to go but on the earth somewhere...unless it is sent to outerspace, polluting that aswell.

now you may be thinking i am just someone who dont giv a damn about what is happening, after all my life is more than halfway over ! quite the opposite....... i do have grandchildren and a great grandchild on the way, i am scared for them, very scared, but as one person i can only do so much...............
yes it would be nice to open peoples eyes to this, ( but surely by now evryone knows what is going on ) and even if a million people protested at once about it, it needs people in high power to actually do something about it and not just pay lip service to us all.

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