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Hawkeye

unwelcome visitor

opened the back door this morning and what do i see but ratty scurrying away round the back of one of our freezers.Now in my view there is only one rat worth seeing and thats a dead one, so i promptly put some bait down and hope ive seen the last of him (or her)
dan

suprisingly we dont see many rats here but......................OH was watching the telly the other night with the kids, ellie came running thru asking for the torch, OH was going to get his gun  

a afox had come upto the front door looked thru it then gone of over the front lawn oh.gif

well by the time they'd got the lamp and gun with bullets in the same placehe had long gone      
mogs

got a feeling we have them in the back garden too.......

went out yesterday to put out more bird seed........i put it on top of the decking rail, and on an old chair that is by the wall......make s a great bird table......and found quite a few traces of what i recon is rat droppings......

description...... elongated torpedo shape aprox 1 inch long.......red/pink with seeds in it presumably been eating rosehips.

OH said too large for rats, but i am pretty sure it is.....

what do you recon?
Pete

mogs wrote:


description...... elongated torpedo shape aprox 1 inch long.......red/pink with seeds in it presumably been eating rosehips.

OH said too large for rats, but i am pretty sure it is.....

what do you recon?


Yep they belong to roland we have got the b##### things everywhere    Suppose that's what happens when you have as many poultry as we have.
mogs

yep thats what i thought.......might have to ' up ' the rat bait......
we use bought stuff, aswell as making our own.......

dirty, germ ridden, fat little so-in-so's have to go......

no sign of them til the otherday, and i put out an apple cut in half for the birds......apple went overnight, and droppings appeared......  
Pete

If you use rat bait you have to try even harder to make any chicken food unavailable to them. Because layers pellets/ mash etc contains a antidote (think it's the vitamin K) to most rat poisons.
mogs

thanks for that, learn something new everyday, as they say........  

luckily it is not the chook fed they are having....it is feed i put out for the wild birds
dan

Its is the vit k that works as the antidote  
Pete

danndans wrote:
Its is the vit k that works as the antidote  


Thought so  
Lorrainelovesplants

Neosorexa is the best bait weve used.  I make little bags from small squares od cling film, fill them and routinely bait under the shed weekly at this time of year.

If youve seen one there are more............
bodger

Hi
If you read this link through, you'll see why the little sachets of rat poison aren't the good idea that they first seem to be.

http://overthegate.myfreeforum.org/about13.html
Lorrainelovesplants

Very interesting!  Willtry to remember all the good information here.

How do you raise a garden shed up 18 inches?
mogs

i was told to not use bait all the time..................just put it out for about 3 days then none for 3 days.....etc etc

apparently this is because the rats will eat the poison in the first 3 days and will have enough to kill them, so leave it clear for 3 days so those that have eaten it will be dying and those that have had none in the first dose, will have some in the next......dont know how right that theory is tho....
bodger

That doesn't make sense to me Jane.You could have a situation where a rat found the bait on the third day just before you whipped it up and the critter could end up having a sub lethal dose. Its much better to have bait down 24/7 as the Yanks would say.
mogs

to be honest bodge, thats what i thought....but this bloke was a pest controller by 'trade ' so-to-speak.....

i just put it down all the time, and although it does control them, ( i think   , dread to think how many would be around if i didn't bait )  there are always signs around that there are more.
Lorrainelovesplants

No signs of any,but Im thinking about traps that we can then drown...
bodger

I've been on other forums where people have quite innocently mentioned that they drown any rats that they catch in cage traps and there's been absolute uproar from the bunny huggers.
You wont get that on here of course, but to an extent, they have got a good point. Drowning can't be the best way to go and an air rifle pellet in the bonce has got to be a far more humane way of disposing of ratty.

Of course the real 'bunny huggers' would probably want you to release the rat back into the wild, or for you to take a trip to the vets.
Johnhod

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Of course the real 'bunny huggers' would probably want you to release the rat back into the wild, or for you to take a trip to the vets


The real bunny huggers would slag you off for the stress you caused the poor little thing by trapping it in the first place  :omg:
HPC

Hi all,
to keep on the right side of the law and for the good of the forum    its actually illegal to drown rodents ,like bodger says a pellet is the best way
kaz

Thanks for clarifing that HPC
matt the rat

Pete wrote:
If you use rat bait you have to try even harder to make any chicken food unavailable to them. Because layers pellets/ mash etc contains a antidote (think it's the vitamin K) to most rat poisons.


Dont worry about your chicken/pig feed.

Even if it was the right sort of vitimin K (which it isn't) they would have to eat vast quantities of the stuff to in any way nullify the effects of the bait.

As HPC has pointed out, drowning was oulawed in 1911.  If you must use cage traps (I think they are more cruel and less effective than kill traps), then either run the catch into a bag and use a priest to dispatch, or if you are not confident enough to do that, reach for an air rifle.

I would advise against permenant baiting (it is actually illegal to apply any pesticide unless you know that there is a pest present (FEPA 1986)).  A few well placed traps should pick up any rats before they become established.

If you have rat problems, I would advise you to call in a professional, even if it is just for advice.  It is surprising what a properly trained pester can spot that you just haven't noticed.

In this day and age there is no need for anyone to put up with rat infestations - it is endangering your health and that of any livestock you keep.  I get very frustrated when I hear people say things like "we've always had rats", as there is no excuse for it.
bodger

Matt, all the major pest control companies offer contracts for regular visits to put down rat poison 365 days of the year.
In reality they can honestly say that they expect there there to be rats present everyday of the year,and so they in no way break any laws. As a qualified pest controller I'd recomend this course of action for people with premises that are at risk.
matt the rat

bodger wrote:
Matt, all the major pest control companies offer contracts for regular visits to put down rat poison 365 days of the year.
In reality they can honestly say that they expect there there to be rats present everyday of the year,and so they in no way break any laws. As a qualified pest controller I'd recomend this course of action for people with premises that are at risk.


New label restrictions are going to prevent this practice bodger.  DR59 will effectively stop all precautionary baiting.  There is now a 26 week limit to baiting, unless a risk assessment and environmental assessment can justify otherwise.

What has been standard industry practice for the last 20+ years is coming to an end.

What the quality companies are offering are contracts to inspect for pests, and treat if necessary.  The onus is moving away from 'bait box checking' and onto quality inspection.

This is all due to the increasing amounts of SGARS found in raptors.
bodger

I've got some scaley tails that with this bad weather have crept into the barn for the winter. The dogs were trying to rip the side out of the barn last night. There will be loads of Neokil rat poison on whole wheat going down tonight. In addition, I'll be moving a few Fenns into better positions as well.
trapworks

Have you tried those snaring triggers yet Bodger?

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bodger

I can't see any runs at the moment They are runing across concrete but I intend to as soon as i find the right place for them.
bodger

Phew. Had a massive take of bait last night. Its looks as though we have more than a couple. I've topped everything up again for tonight.

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