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Christine

Older people and ....

Tomorrow morning I have to be on the 6.32am train out of Prudhoe to go to London for a one day meeting on "Older People and the Environment". It's all to do with a project by the Green Alliance to see if older people can become more involved in being environmentally friendly. So far it seems not to be defined in depth as we the 10 are supposed to provide input and direction to the group.

The group organiser rang us all up and asked if we had basic concerns that we could put forward to get the discussion going. It seems that everyone she had spoken before me had also put forward attitude as a discussion point. This has to be the start - do we care enough to do anything if we are told what we could do.

Ah now, if we can only get down to discussing simple things like understanding and improving recycling schemes, getting down to the cost of insulation of homes and the cost of decent central heating systems, getting some more of the antiques who shouldn't still be driving out of their cars and onto public transport, getting people to think about buying local, campaigning for less packaging that can't be disposed of by recycling and the cost of using green electricity (too much), green cleaning products (too expensive for many or the cheaper ones like soda bicarbonate, distilled vinegar and borax not being available), then perhaps we shall be doing something useful.

I wonder what I have missed out evil that I can diplomatically raise in these times of rising prices.  
bodger

Be sure to let us know how you get on
mogs

getting some more of the antiques who shouldn't still be driving out of their cars and onto public transport,

great idea, BUT, i think public transport has to be improved first.  

i used to work with the eldrly, infirm, mentally handicapped and the terminally ill, and this was one thing that always came up....the public transport situation....and how awful it was. it was unreliable to say the least, and very uncomfortable.

anothr thing mentiond was shopping locally....yep great idea, but a lot of the elderly, cant get to the shops, and so have other people do it for them, in their cars.....so they go to the supermarkets, A, because it is cheaper, bearing in mind that the pension is not a lot, and B, it is convenient.
BarryK

Re: Older people and ....

Christine wrote:
.................. getting some more of the antiques who shouldn't still be driving out of their cars and onto public transport, ..........
BarryK

Re: Older people and ....

Christine wrote:
.......... getting some more of the antiques who shouldn't still be driving out of their cars and onto public transport.........


Speaking as one of the 'antiques',  I'm not too certain I like the implications contained in the above sentence - for the benefit of any other 'antiques' who may OTG perhaps you'd like to explain the exact meaning of that remark, also what your qualifications are for making it in the first place................

welsh lamb

My late parents would never have considered themselves green.
But like most people who lived thro WW2 they always reused/recycled as much as possible.
Took us days to clear out the house when Mum died. oh.gif
Hope this is a success!
mogs

totally agree WL,

older people, even at my age in their 50's, used to mend and make do, so i think a lot of the elderly still do, if they are able to....

i know my mother taught me an aawful lot about recycling things, altho she has been gone over 20 years, i still recycle and reuse what i can, even before it became the ' in thing to do '
chris

hmmmm antiques in cars eh, no doubt driving around in a sedate fuel conserving manner unlike the younger drivers who always seem to be speeding at high fuel consumption . public transport for the rural dweller here in lincolnshire is a joke ,hardly any buses at all and those that are, are at awkward times and are often dualed as shool buses, cant see many antiques putting up with the foul language and behavior . they also feel intimidated about walking along town streets for fear of attack or abuse.
I find that many of the senior people are keen on recycling and probably waste much less than others.
Christine

I was thinking of the dangerous antiques like one in our family who won't get a hearing aid despite being deaf and whose eyesight was way below the required standard. His sons eventually took bull by horns and said they would sell his car for him rather than let him risk the lives of their children and his wife any further. Admittedly there is a good bus service where he lives.

OK so I will amend that to the dangerous antiques then with apologies to the older, fitter people here. But I note that I did say some of the antiques thereby implying that not everyone is unfit to drive at an older age.

Yep I know about the recycling and reusing where things get a bit out of hand. We had to clear out the 5 bedroomed old vicarage when mother in law died. Hundreds of pounds worth of old coinage stacked in drawers "just in case" 24 years after the banks didn't take it any more. A wardrobe that took clothes for two adults when emptied of the wrapping paper kept for reusing next Christmas or whenever. A room full of knitting wool and material remnants .... And so it went on. Which is not to say that it was the wrong attitude just that it got a bit out of hand. In fact it is good for the wallet as well as the environment to reuse and recycle.

Rural transport will always be an issue as there aren't the people in rural areas to support a decent service. Pass on that one. But public transport is improving with there being a lot more easy access buses which allow wheelchairs and buggies access. We have more of a problem up here in that so many older people are now travelling on the buses that sometimes there is no room for the paying punters it seems.

We have a well used college run by Mencap locally and a lot of their students travel by bus as do a number of wheelchair users (some are regular faces). So I do feel that perhaps public transport has moved on a lot in the last ten years.

I'd like to be able to shop local too but with the exception of the local farmers market there is not a lot of local shopping available - the chain stores seem to be taking up most of the High Street. Must be too rural despite living in a small town (14000) and next to a major town in the county. I notice that it is the older people who actually shop at the farmers market as well as supporting the High Street independents such as they are so there is certainly an effort being made to shop locally.

I also note that as older people get more IT literate, they are shopping on-line and using supermarket deliveries more. I've found that I have to shop on-line if I want some of the more environmentally friendly green products (think soda bicarbonate, borax, washing soda and affordable detergent for laundry and washing up - Mr Supermarket is a great one for upping the cost of those chemical free items for the house).

One that did come up though at the event - more of the older single pensioners are buying ready meals and putting them in the microwave because it's cheaper and easier physically than cooking for one. And here's me running an allotment in order to have fresh produce to cook - d'ya think I'm doing something wrong?

You must all realise that I'm a bit way further over to the green fringe than a lot of people who make the effort to be environmentally friendly so don't be too put out with me. Oh and I was thrown out of the driving school for lack of ability before even getting to the test.

But we need to teach the new older people before we loose the present older people don't we? Or a lot of knowledge will be lost.
BarryK

Christine wrote:
I was thinking of the dangerous antiques like one in our family who won't get a hearing aid despite being deaf and whose eyesight was way below the required standard. His sons eventually took bull by horns and said they would sell his car for him rather than let him risk the lives of their children and his wife any further. Admittedly there is a good bus service where he lives.

OK so I will amend that to the dangerous antiques then with apologies to the older, fitter people here.    But I note that I did say some of the antiques thereby implying that not everyone is unfit to drive at an older age.  


I agree with you that there are some (a very few, I think) old folks that are not fit to be in charge of a pram, let alone a motor vehicle, but I'd like to bet that those who are of pensionable age are probably responsible for less driving accidents than any other age group.

I know that since I retired I just don't bother to rush around any more - I probably p1ss off a lot of people who would like to break the speed limit but can't, 'cos they're stuck behind me, but tough - that's their problem, not mine.

I really don't see how the quality of your hearing (unless you're absolutely stone deaf) is going to affect the quality of your driving - I'd say that people who can't have a conversation without turning to look at their passenger, people with the radio or cd player turned up so loud that the car roof vibrates, those with ipods constantly blaring in their lug 'oles, and especially those pr@ts who STILL use their mobile phone whilst driving, despite the tragically proven dangers of doing so, are a much greater danger than most of us slow old sodz.

I think it would be sensible if, once beyond a certain age, EVERY driver should have to have an annual MOT (eyesight, reaction times, etc.) to be sure that thay are fit to drive - I'd put this age at around 50, maybe a little younger, that seems to be the age where people are most likely to require glasses to read or drive, it's also the age where most people are too vain to admit that their eyes and reaction times are not as good as they used to be.

I guess when you've sorted out all these others it may be time to start on the old crocks but it all just sounds like ageism to me................

:cheers:

Barry
Christine

:biglol: Well there's a first time for everything - I'm 63 next Christmas and haven't been called ageist before. :biglol:

Anyway - I'm sure that there are plenty of capable older drivers who would call me a spring chicken for my cheek. But there are also some who are getting to the end of their driving days and don't like to admit it - but then there are some crazy daisy teenage drivers too.

But we'll also go with the fact that there are an awful lot of pensioners up here who do use public transport because they have their free bus passes now. Some have even given up using the car due to cost now that the bus is free. Though looking at the Tesco, Asda and Argos vehicles that come around here I'd say that there's a lot of on-line shopping done by all ages. We do have a Co-op in town that delivers free if you spend 15 or more so the car is not always needed. Oh and we get a discount on taxi fares if we produce our bus pass here too.

Sheesh - have I upset the older driving population here   Sorry folks. Honest.
Bazzer

NO YOU AINT!!!!!!!!!



Proper reply tomorrow. Just run out of 'puter time.
Scotty wants to go shopping.
Christine

They called in speakers for the second meeting. It was quite fun starting off the packaging buyer from M&S on no packaging at all, asking the chap from Friends of the Earth why they supported nuclear (because unlike Germany who have been investing in green technology for years, we are behind as our green lobby is not represented in Parliament) and suggesting that all public transport should be free to encourage more use of it as a starting point with another speaker.

Well if you don't start out from extremes you never know what is possible.  
morlan578

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I'd put this age at around 50, maybe a little younger, that seems to be the age where people are most likely to require glasses to read or drive, it's also the age where most people are too vain to admit that their eyes and reaction times are not as good as they used to be.


Whoa now ok i might need glasses for reading but i can still see more than i can have and being 51 i can still hold my own on a sports bike and if my car breaks down i can fix it my uncle is in his late 70,s still drives and still rides we are talking total ageism here if some one is over 60 dont mean they automatically become a total menace stuff public transport why should these people if they have the ability to still be independent not be able to use that advantage you been on a local bus lateley maybe you should try it before extolling its virtues check out jeni,s post "welcome to wales" How can you say these people are more of a risk than your base ball capped yoof wiv his 19" bore exhaust on his corsa or your local barbie puttin her eyeliner on while textin her mates .
Me personally i still got my own teeth a full head of hair and all my faculties when i lose them i will give up driving but not before and if and when i do how is my girlfriend 18 years my junior gonna get about
I rest my case     with age come experience ,i think someone once said

oh and dont get me started on recycling    

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