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Christine

No Plastic At All?

Doesn't look likely but there could be a lot less of it around - 35% of the use of plastic is for packaging if you look at the diagram on this page - http://www.wasteonline.org.uk/resources/InformationSheets/Plastics.htm

I wonder just how much of that is actually necessary packaging?
BorderReiver

Re: No Plastic At All?

Christine wrote:
Doesn't look likely but there could be a lot less of it around - 35% of the use of plastic is for packaging if you look at the diagram on this page - http://www.wasteonline.org.uk/resources/InformationSheets/Plastics.htm

I wonder just how much of that is actually necessary packaging?


When I were a lad, we didn't seem to need ANY plastic packaging at all. rolleyes.gif
storm

my household rubbish bin is nearly always filled with plastic packaging and little else - it can't be recycled here. Plastic bottles can be recycled but not all types of plastic. When you see it in the bin like that it brings home the fact that there is so much of it - Some of it is so inflexible and uncrushable that it takes up all the space, which is a premium with fortnightly collections - I cut it up so it takes up less space.
storm

PS Looking at your link we are able to put types 1,2 & 3 into the recycle bin  
bodger

The thing is that once again we are up against the multi billion petrochemical industry. The various governments are only going to pay lip service to recycling schemes and the like when they get so much tax revenue and  political funding from these firms.
If it wasn't for this, I'm convinced that we see a lot less packaging and far more cloth bags, woven shopping baskets and good old brown paper bags around.When was the last time you saw anyone doing their shopping using a wicker basket ? Yet at one time, they were common place.
debbie

Why can't we have loose goods as we used to (OK I know why Health and safety, enviromental health) but honestly - I used to go shopping with my nan and there would be barrels of dried goods - you would take a couple of scoops of rice, one of saltanas - all in paper babs (proper strong bags) and have them weighed at the counter.  All the tubs had closing lips so if we can do it with sweets in woolworths why not dried goods in shops?
green man

Yes I remember going to the shops with a hessian shopping bag and having the potatoes tipped straight into it, along with the carrots onions and cabbage, Then back to grocers for some loose tea, cheese from the round, and broken biscuits in a paper bag, simple food happy days -tiny ash bins, and the pig man would come to empty the pig bin! :-)
Seabird

And we paid a deposit on pop and beer bottles. If you were skint, you'd collect all the empties and take them back. Easy recycling - buy the container then take it back.
bodger

I know that other forums and pressure groups have done it already, but what about us looking into an OTG hemp or reusable type shopping bag ?
Bazzer

Great idea Bodge.
Have to have a pocket for OTG cards, for when we're asked.
Seabird

bodger wrote:
I know that other forums and pressure groups have done it already, but what about us looking into an OTG hemp or reusable type shopping bag ?


I've got a source of suppliers and prices Bodger re. my search for paper bags for the shop.
debbie

seabird would you mind my asking if you wanted to pass those details on - something I would like to do for the farmers market for our produce.  We don't supply carrier bags but paper bags with maybe our logo would be different.
Seabird

No problem Debbie -
the cheapest source I've found so far are:

www.noblepackaging.com
www.midpac.co.uk

Both do bags suitable for food packaging, and both offer printing.
We're after bags for fashion shop and both these companies do a nice gold metallic paper one with a twist handle. They're considerably cheaper than our normal shopfitting supplier.

If you have some printed you'll have to pay a one off cost for the printing block, whoever you go with.

They both also do jute, canvas and cotton.

I'm still searching the 'net' though before I commit.
dani

storm wrote:
PS Looking at your link we are able to put types 1,2 & 3 into the recycle bin  


I never check    
I just throw it all into the skip at the recycling centre
storm

I have been looking since the link was posted and can't seem to find any clues on the packaging as to what category it falls into :-?
I know we can recycle cardboard, plastic drink/milk bottles, tins, cans, shampoo and cleaning bottles - we are asked to take lids off and to wash them.
Christine

And we can't recycle margarine/butter tubs, tin foil off chocolate bars or plastic trays from tomatoes and similar any more   :smt022

There's no market for the products produced from them  :-?

Oh and a whole lot of other things can't be recycled even though they are marked with the recycling badge.  :q52:

Thick cardboard is out because it jams up the sorting machine at the recycling depot.  So don't get your goods in thick cardboard.  :q52:
kaz

Christine wrote:


Thick cardboard is out because it jams up the sorting machine at the recycling depot.  So don't get your goods in thick cardboard.  :q52:


There is a company based in our area that collects cardboard from businesses free of charge for recycling so there must be some vale in it.
mrutty

If you're looking to go 'Eco' try looking at oxo-bio bags which have zero methane emissions.

As if I didn't know that I was always right ( ) did anyone catch Newnight with the real impact on the enviroment and how bad paperbags were for the enviroment? The amount of food waste makes the plastic almost a side product.
Fey Dunnabitt

I've already posted these links in another thread, but some people who didn't see them may be interested.
http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1169
http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php?id=7

Remember that Waste Watch is useful for getting some facts, but is backed by the "waste industry" who have large vested interests in getting us to "recycle" (highly inaccurate term for what actually happens) but also have a vested interest in our continuing to produce plenty of waste for them to "recycle". As Bodger says, the p-ch industry is so powerful, but they aren't the only ones. Anything can be pounced on and used to make money - waste is just one more example. (Where there's muck, there's brass.) That's why that site will give you some facts, but won't give you a balanced view, as they want there to be lots of waste.
Here are some useful links, including a printable chart that you can stick on your fridge or elsewhere:
http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=1185
http://www.thhttp://32oz.com/mirr...rchive_detail.asp?content_id=1184
http://32oz.com/mirror/plastic/PlasticRecyclingChart.pdf
http://www.thedailygreen.com/gree...ling-electronics-recycling-461219
Fey Dunnabitt

bodger wrote:
The thing is that once again we are up against the multi billion petrochemical industry. The various governments are only going to pay lip service to recycling schemes and the like when they get so much tax revenue and  political funding from these firms.

Also the supermarkets and other outlets, transporters, warehousers, packaging manufacturers - and now the recycling-ha-ha industry. "Recycling" is big business now and of course it's mostly tricks.
People - sorry, I mean Consumers - have been tricked into believing that packaging makes their food and other goods hygienic. I read someone saying that packaging was the main reason we're all so healthy nowadays! (It's not and we're not.) I actually read, "The world is a better place because of plastic." People are just so dumb - they'll handle money and banknotes that are probably crawling with germs, then open their plastic-wrapped sandwich and eat it, without washing their hands, because the sandwich, having spent days in a plastic bubble, has somehow acquired magically germ-resistant properties. Or spray stuff in their house. . . bonkers.
Did you see that Rich List thingy? I wasn't particularly interested in the individuals or how the spend their obscene wealth, but I was interested tro see in what fields they'd made their dosh - one is a packaging manufacturer!
Sadly, I've stopped believing in any kind of god, so I can't even enjoy the thought that they'll go to Hell.
I think their are two species of human - the few who care and the many who are just a skinful of sins. And it's obvious that the bad ones will always crush the good ones and that natural selection will make more and more bad ones - simple logic. Wish I'd sussed it sooner.

Better tell some jokes now, or i'll be banned from the forum as a doom-sayer.  :-?

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