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Seabird

Multi fuel stove advice please

I want to change my current gas burner in the lounge to a multi fuel stove.

The room and fire place are only small, so can't have a big one, and there are radiators throughout,  heated by LPG which also heats the hot water. The lounge, though, is always coldish and needs some additional heat. It would be nice to think that I could leave a log burner on low and take the chill off the rest of the house too if I left the doors open.

This gas fire is VERY hungry so I don't use it unless I have to, apart from it being a p in the a to light.

The current one is about the size I want, and has a flue liner in the conventional chimney. See picture below.

Would I be able to utilise the same flue liner or does a multi fuel burner require something special?

I'll have to get my plumber/gas man to unhitch the present one - would he be able to fit the new stove do you think, or do I need someone with different qualifications?
If so - what am I looking for?

This one looks promising - it's about the same size as the gas one. The room's only about 12ft x 12ft.

http://www.kmsdirect.co.uk/magent...ning-stove-woodburner-4-kw-ja013s

This is the fireplace with the current Stanley gas burner in situ:


bodger

Trish, a 5 kw stove would be fine for that size of room. If you're ever passing, pop in to look at our Dunsley. Its brilliant. Not the cheapest but certainly not the most expensive either.
bodger

Trish, a 5 kw stove would be fine for that size of room. if you're evr passing, pop in to look at our Dunsley. Its brilliant. Not the cheapest but certainly not the most expensive either.
12Bore

Looks enviously at the gas stove...
Seabird

12Bore wrote:
Looks enviously at the gas stove...


If I get a multi fuel one it'll be looking for a new home, but it's LPG.
Seabird

Thanks Bodger I'll pop in and have a look  
12Bore

Seabird wrote:
12Bore wrote:
Looks enviously at the gas stove...


If I get a multi fuel one it'll be looking for a new home, but it's LPG.

There may be a conversion kit available...
Justme

The current liner might (almost 100% wont be) not be suitable for a solid fuel stove.
Treacle

Like everything else, there's all sorts of regulations these days, but since you have an existing fireplace, the only thing would probably be a new liner as gas flues have a smaller bore liner. †There are some odd † regulations concerning the hearth size.
You will need a 6" doubled-walled stainless steel liner, backfilled with vermiculite. †They are fairly expensive. †I expect a reputable stove fitter will have the necessary qualifications to disconnect the gas and install a multi-fuel stove. †

I have a 6 kW stove and it's fantastic.   I should add that my lounge is 17' by 19' and the stove would 'put you out' if you open it up!  For a 12 by 12 room,  4 kW max, I would think.  

It's  very little troble or mess † BUT †here are a few points to consider....

1. Unless you buy fuel in bulk or have a free supply, it is VERY expensive if you buy in small quantities. †Expect about £50 / ton for softwood or £75 for hardwood in bulk. † Avoid pine or other resinous wood.
2. You need somewhere to store it. †It is a good idea to buy it a year in advance to ensure it is properly dry and seasoned. †So, you need to be able to store 2 years worth. †One now and one for next year.
3. You will also need a supply of kindling wood. †This is a stupid price if you buy it, so scrounge any old wood you can and chop it up.
4. You will need your chimney swept every one or two years depending on how often you light the fire.

If you can manage this, go for it - they're great.
12Bore

Justme wrote:
The current liner might (almost 100% wont be) not be suitable for a solid fuel stove.

I meant convert from LPG to Natural gas
Seabird

Justme wrote:
The current liner might (almost 100% wont be) not be suitable for a solid fuel stove.


That's probably answered my main question (unfortunately).

As it'll only be used for 'top up' heating, I don't think the outlay will be worth it if I have to shell out for new chimney liner.

Thanks anyway  
diggerpete1961

I put in a stove & artificial chimney (as my house did not have one) about 3 years ago, see here http://overthegate.myfreeforum.or...a285717.php&highlight=#285717
Stove has been excellent, & I recently replaced a Little Wenlock boiler stove for an elderly relative. (I installed the Wenlock about 25 years ago & have helped with other installations)
My advice would be always if poss to go with a welded steel model over cast iron, unless you plan to move on soon. My Acorn 5 has been in constant use for 3 heating seasons with not a penny spent on it, & is as new (many cast iron ones crack). The 5 kw rating is on anthracite, my room (12 x 12) needs 2.1 Kw to keep room at 68F when outside temp is -1C, & 3.1 Kw if temp drops to -10C outside. I can safely say the latter is about the stove's upper limit when on wood. In other words a bigger stove would be needed to provide hot water from the optional back boiler, had I added it, let alone driving any radiator. So my advice keep to a dry stove in this size class - mine does provide daytime background heat to the whole downstairs, we pull back a curtain & let heat upstairs evening time. Also we put various pots / jacks on it to provide hot water for washing up etc, as we do not have hot water in the CH tank nowadays.
We have an elec shower - I would if starting from scratch space heat from stoves & provide hot water / showers from a 'Main Multipoint' instant gas geezer (these are much lower tech than combi's & can run off natural or LPG gas - balanced flue model needs no electricity to run)

Arada seem to be the cheaper end of the 'good' makes & if no boiler is to be fitted, offer the budget AX1 & AX2 (Charlie's Stores had a deal on these)  Others makes to consider are the Boatman stove, Windy Smithy, & Glastonbury Burners. Mine is 'multi fuel' but spends 95% of the time on wood anyway. I do sometimes burn Union Briquettes gently either overnight or for when a little daytime top up heat is needed - but they are smelly & fossil fuel, I could happily live with a wood burner only as the multi thing is over rated in my view. Hope this helps Pete
welshboy

Re: Multi fuel stove advice please

Seabird wrote:


This is the fireplace with the current Stanley gas burner in situ:




Firstly fascinated by the pic - window where flue goes ? Is it a balanced flue ?
Secondly just a random thought - that Stanley looks suspiciously like a  woodburner/multifuel stove - I wonder if there is a conversion kit ?
The flue liner should not be that expensive 6m 6inch about 100 pounds
Seabird

Thank you both for your replies - I'd shelved this project for a while, but that gas fired stove drives me mad, it's a bu88er to light, even after being serviced.

It's a mirror Welshboy!  So there's a conventional chimney. I'd never thought to see if there's a conversion kit, might be worth looking into.

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