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polaris

In The Shed

We are unfortunately having to move to a smaller home.... putting my dream of self sufficiency to bed just as it had gained maturity.

Regardless, the new house is OURS and I can do whatever the bdooly hell I like with it!!

So despite having to rebuilt three years worth of fruit and veg plots, and not having the space to run livestock, we are in negotiations about a near by field where we will eventually run pigs and ducks (SEPERATELY!! lol) and will have chickens at the house. I have free range on the sea and plan to use it.

However... my question is thus... I have a large shed and would like to put it to use, half of it is being converted as a work bench/potting table etc, the back is going for rabbits but I've still plenty of space to fill and was wondering what I could fill it with to help add to our protein well.

I have done quail and learned the hard way why you don't raise them outside on pasture (they never bdooly get to finishing weight!) but is there anything else that I could fill the space with to fulfil the average sort of "8 weeks to finishing weight" rule of thumb. Quail are delicious and I won't hesitate to raise them again, but you need so many for a decent meal (we like our meat) so something maybe a little larger but equally as suitable to indoor rearing? or is this a bit of a case of having my cake and eating it?

Open to anything that would take the ease off our food bill as the only shop in over 50 miles is a Co-Op (aka The Robbing Bandit's Shop).
bodger

You've got me thinking Polaris. I'll get back to you.
Breeding table pigeons is something that I've contemplated on and off for ages now. Google squabs, that's what baby pigeons are called and you'll see that there are still a few breeds of pigeons that are kept for meat by a handful of people. The two breeds that I know of are Kings and Runts.
Dave C

Sorry to hear your news, but hears to your new challengers  

Have you thought about broiler chickens,
They are reared inside, you get very good meat / feed ratio from them.
If you can put up with the smell.

Also Micro pigs, but what about the home slaughter regs  

I've also heard somewhere of a meat breed of Guinea pigs.

Will keep thinking.
polaris

Dave C wrote:
Sorry to hear your news, but hears to your new challengers  

Have you thought about broiler chickens,
They are reared inside, you get very good meat / feed ratio from them.
If you can put up with the smell.

Also Micro pigs, but what about the home slaughter regs  

I've also heard somewhere of a meat breed of Guinea pigs.

Will keep thinking.


I have considered chickens. I can clean out daily if I have to so smells not really an issue, how much space would you recommend for each bird? I know someone who I can get eggs from for Cobbs.

Love the idea of micro pigs but I reckon money wise I'd be better buying it from the butcher :/ how small is micro anyway? I've never actually met one! And reckon I'd become very attached. I love pigs    I've thought about guinea pigs before too, I'd be very interested to see how the meat differs from rabbit if anyone knows!
Rick & Carol

Trouble with Micro pigs is they can end up much bigger than you expect. Cobbs are a good indoor option, we raised them free range this year and everyone said they are better in a barn, our pal got a much better finish weight than us by having them indoors. - How many do you reckon to bring on at a time?
welshboy

How about aquaponics ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZyTes5zKho

This guy is rowing Tilapia in his tank and I can confirm they are a white flesh and nice to eat-not as bony as carp.
All kinds of idea can be incorporated .






polaris

Rick & Carol wrote:
Trouble with Micro pigs is they can end up much bigger than you expect. Cobbs are a good indoor option, we raised them free range this year and everyone said they are better in a barn, our pal got a much better finish weight than us by having them indoors. - How many do you reckon to bring on at a time?


Quite agree i'll never free range quail again. it was a waste of money, energy and time. Indoors however I would certainly do it again. They are lovely tasty birds, despite being EXTREME POOPERS!!
I'd be scared to do micro pigs, too much chance I'd end up with a house pig for life!! I'm happier buying a half pig here and there really.
I'd be factoring to bring on maybe ten at a time? we eat roughly a roast chicken a week when means provide and I can't stand the idea that there's chemicals and hormones all sorts in my meat!
polaris

welshboy wrote:
How about aquaponics ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZyTes5zKho

This guy is growing Tilapia in his tank and I can confirm they are a white flesh and nice to eat-not as bony as carp.
All kinds of idea can be incorporated .



I've plenty of space to put an IBC outside with fish, this is one of the thing's i want to look into actually. Does anyone have any idea roughly how many fish per IBC? I'm going to go research finishing times now as I'd love to produce a few trout here and there as it's not something we can get wild very often and I'd bankrupt myself on the shop stuff (not as nice after you've had wild ;) )
Rick & Carol

10 birds at a time will need a fair bit of space I'd say. We are bringing on 14 Hubbards at the moment and I'll be glad to get them into their proper quarters & paddock,  at not quite 4 weeks they are quickly filling up the 'nursery' (6ftx6ft) they like to jump about a bit and I don't think you want them sitting cooped up all day. I'll post a pic in a bit of what that number of adolecents look like.

Keep in mind these are eating machines and if you go for a heavy breed like the Ross cobb they will likely as not end up around 10lb reared indoors. The Hubbards pictured are just 26 days old!




They are off to their shed next week
polaris

Rick & Carol wrote:
10 birds at a time will need a fair bit of space I'd say. We are bringing on 14 Hubbards at the moment and I'll be glad to get them into their proper quarters & paddock,  at not quite 4 weeks they are quickly filling up the 'nursery' (6ftx6ft) they like to jump about a bit and I don't think you want them sitting cooped up all day. I'll post a pic in a bit of what that number of adolecents look like.

Keep in mind these are eating machines and if you go for a heavy breed like the Ross cobb they will likely as not end up around 10lb reared indoors. The Hubbards pictured are just 26 days old!




They are off to their shed next week


I can probably dedicate about 8x8 feet indoor space and they can get out to run around the garden for a few hours every day too to stretch their legs.
How many would you recommend for this space? I don't want to squish them as they do get big birds!
polaris

I've also got space for a twin stack of 8x2. Would three birds per 8x2 be reasonable? I usually have about 15 quail in that space.
Dave C

Apparently it's recomended 2'x2' per bird

So your 8'x2' should hold 8 birds
Rick & Carol

Personally I'd put no more than a half doz in the 8x8 and see how you get on with the first batch. Mind you anyone who knows me will tell you I probably give all my animals more space than recommended but I like to see them enjoying themselves. I think 2'x2' is ok with a huge space and lots of birds in it but 8'x8' isn't a huge amount to run round and I think I'd be stir crazy in there if I was a bird with more than 5/6 mates
welshboy

polaris wrote:
welshboy wrote:
How about aquaponics ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZyTes5zKho

This guy is growing Tilapia in his tank and I can confirm they are a white flesh and nice to eat-not as bony as carp.
All kinds of idea can be incorporated .



. Does anyone have any idea roughly how many fish per IBC? I'm going to go research finishing times now as I'd love to produce a few trout here and there as it's not something we can get wild very often and I'd bankrupt myself on the shop stuff (not as nice after you've had wild ;) )

Sorry for the delay in replying but my computer has been playing up telling me my windows is not legal so I installed Ubuntu and stuff microsoft.
The youtube video below gives some rule of thumb guides for gals to pounds fish.
I have read somewhere that 1.4 kilos of feed produces 1 kilo of fish and the nutrients from the fish for 30 kilo of veg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26xpMCXP9bw

This one shows an IBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFM7J_TpTU

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