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Christine

If you are properly green, you tie women to the house

As a child I lived the very green life in the 50s and 60s. We had no dustbin collection as we lived in the middle of nowhere on a farm with not a community tip within 100 miles. Consequently we had to deal with all our own rubbish. The only thing that we could not reuse or recycle was the tin can.

We were also tenant farmers with descent from bankrupt in the 1930s on one side of family so not that well off landowners. Poverty doesn’t lead to waste if you have been down that road it seems.

Mother was tied to the large farm house by the sheer volume of work – all meals from scratch, bottling, preserving, searching the hedgerows for produce, composting, washing in the copper boiler and mangling the washing before hanging out, managing coal fires, patching and darning, knitting when we were small, cutting down and reusing old clothes …. Now this was an intelligent and educated woman following in the footsteps of two intelligent and educated grandmothers. What use a university education to women who were going to be housebound after marriage because you didn’t work when you had children in them days. And yes I was involved in out of school time with the hunter / gatherer activities round the hedge rows, yes I can knit and darn and sew for a house if I must.

But no you can’t live properly green in the sense of zero waste, reduce, reuse, recycle if one person out of the family is not at home full time. In my opinion. OK so we are unlikely to go back to the old washing copper and mangle or coal fires (think pollution) though "the rich" can afford to run agas and ranges which can be coal fired and wood burners (ok if you can get the wood). But certainly the range we had burnt a lot of waste that we still can't recycle. So no landfill but plenty of coal powered smoke.
kaz

Well written Christine
In this day and age I feel that the majority of couples are in a financial situation where they both have to go out to work to pay the mortgage but this results in both needing a car, the need to pay childcare costs etc - spiralling costs that they cannot escape from to allow one to stay at home :sad11:
imme

I also agree.
We try and live as eco-friendly as possible and I would say that in practice 90% of the tasks - and research into products - involved are done by myself. I don't consider myself tied to the house in a negative sense but trying to be green certainly adds to my workload at home.
We're not as green as we could be but we have 2 small babies and fatigue sometimes wins...as well as the fact that greener options are sometimes more expensive than the other options.
I saw milk in supposed eco-friendly pouches instead of bottles but they were significantly more expensive than the regular packaged milk. Some eco-friendly things seem to be banking on the fact that being green is in fashion at the moment and prices are often excessive IMHO.
storm

I do agree. Sometimes I feel like a recycling cop :q28:
mrutty

Re: If you are properly green, you tie women to the house

Christine wrote:
The only thing that we could not reuse or recycle was the tin can.


See now I know you're telling fibs coz tin cans were used all over the place. We had them as field shelter and lambing lamps. No one belives me but I was at the bottom of the garden in next doors field and his barn has one still in place. I'll see if I can get a pic. We used to fill them up with fat and oil an they would burn for days.

Used to also use them on primus stoves and tilleys as a wind guard.
mogs

they are also good on the top of fence posts for protection......cut the bottom off, then snip the tin, open it up and nail it to the top of post.....

bird scarers, dangling tied on string....

put them on top of canes in the garden for safety....

and dont forget, they can also be good when someone is getting married, for the back of the wedding car..... ::

why not paint some, punch holes in the side and have them as garden candle holders.....

www.creativemomcafe.com/candle-holders
Christine

Tut tut we didn't try hard enough obviously.

Daughter was saying that in the early year of marriage, with the help of local skips, a sewing machine, the charity shop and hard labour the first rented flat was furnished on virtually no money.  And that total green living was very cheap (mind the man of the house is very good with his hands). When husband got a job, as baby was still young and they managed to get a cheap house out near the job, they continued with the same line of living with daughter at home.

Tis only since they both got full time jobs that green living is down about 50% due to lack of time to cook from scratch for every meal, every day. Oh and they both have to commute to work by car due to demands of job whereas they used to be able to live by bike and walking. Oh and they've gone yuppy with a washing up machine. You see what effect money has on green living.

Oh and you need to live in an area with a decent standard of skip to be properly green.
Fey Dunnabitt

"Oh and you need to live in an area with a decent standard of skip to be properly green."
Yes. It's so wrong that the guvmunt tell people to recycle but make it so difficult, or impossible. We're a bit luckier in France, but they tell us to recycle and provide the installations, which is good, then they keep laying down that nylon weed-supressing stuff, build all their new buildings out of modern, polluting materials, surround the recycling centre with plastic-coated wire netting... Not intelligent at all. They did give us compost bins for nearly nothing, though - I mean compost bins that belong to us. But a friend in another region has a bin with a microchip that has her name and address and measures her rubbish, so that if she puts too much they can charge her. What's more, she had to pay for it!
Christine

Yes a good recycling centre helps. But also a good area where people are upgrading their properties so that there is good stuff in the skips for you to take (with permission of course).

Daughter still has a cabinet for her telly which is best oak that came out of a skip and with some elbow grease and sanding down it's smart. I had a 50 office chair out of a skip and an office table - they lasted another 10 years after rescue.

If you know a good street or two where stuff like that is likely to appear, you can do very well with green furnishing of your house.

I do agree with you about the way a lot of building is done, with no thought to the environment Fey. There are the first signs of sea change here more refurbishment and insulation, as well as starting to look at green builds.
Fey Dunnabitt

"Yes a good recycling centre helps. But also a good area where people are upgrading their properties so that there is good stuff in the skips for you to take (with permission of course). "
Oh, sorry, you mean for finding, not disposing. Yes, I knew a woman who furnished her house completely from skips in a posh part of Paris. I always check and sometimes come back with more than I took. I got a huge, really enormous, old-fashioned mirror, with proper thick glass and bevelled edges from a skip not long ago.
A man I know has just made a sideboard and a bookshelf from palette wood, all sanded and oiled. They're beautiful.

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