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buzzard

hypoallergenic dog food

Hi all,

I have a 6 year old black lab who I think has skin problems that affects his ears and paws mainly.  His vet has recommended trying a hypoallergenic dog  food, but james wellbeloved, wafcol and other premium brands are over 40 pound for 15 kilo.
I was looking for any recommendations for food at a reasonable price or any other tips that may help soothe his skin

cheers Paul
12Bore

I use Wagg Complete Senior for my Beagle because of it's having Glucosomine and Chrondointin ready mixed, it's about half the price of other brands at about £17/15kg, I don't know if this would be ok for your fella, buy if it is the price would be £15 - £20/12kg..
http://www.waggfoods.com/products/UK/wagg-complete-sensitive
Dave C

Aurtarky and Skinners Field & Trial are both about £20 a bag.
darkbrowneggs

is he scratching and shaking his ears making them red and sore, and is there black waxy stuff inside which smells a bit doggy

Is he nibbling and licking at his paws especiallay between the pads?
buzzard

thanks for replies.

darkbrowneggs yes that pretty much sums him up.
darkbrowneggs

Ok it sounds like mites to me, for some reason vets do not always pick up on this.  

You could try Thornit powder which you can get off t'internet.  Its quite expensive, but cheaper than going to the vet, but it doesn't last all that long, especially on a Great Dane.

My dog (and cat) seem to pick them up fairly frequently (we have probably got mangy foxes here)  and just lately I have been using Mr Mistry's Calendula Powder with good effect - its a talc for humans with potentised calendula in as well, and I think it works because it dries the mites up (they like it damp) and the calendula sooths and promotes healing

You will need to apply it daily between paws, rubbing so it is well covered underneath between the pads and on the top between the toes and a bit less frequently in the ears so it doesn't build up to a gunky mess.  A quick puff in the ears then rub behind the ears so it goes down a bit

Check the tummy area as well and if there is any redness a bit there is good

My dog loves having it done as I think it makes her feel much better, I only have to show her the bottle and she rolls over ready for annointing.  

Also the talc has a better smell than the Thornit which contains sulphur powder and I feel it makes the house a bit smelly, but whichever you choose I think it should do the trick.

Probably diet does create the right acid type conditions for the mite to survive, so maybe try a meat based diet?

I buy meat such as lamb beef chicken or liver from a wholesale type pet suppliers (most will deliver if you buy about £50 at a time, and it is usually only 60p or so a lb and comes frozen so I always have it in.)  Then some days she has Waitrose cheap sliced white bread at 50p a loaf with tinned sardines in oil which helps the coat, but a little codliver oil on the food would do the same.  And household scraps plus cooked veg trimmings to mix with the meat

Its a bit more time consuming than feeding complete dog feed but it seems much better for them - my last two danes lived to nearly 12 and nearly 13 respectively which is a good age for a Dane, and they never need to visit the vets.  This one is 7 and hasn't been since puppy injections
buzzard

thanks for that I''ll source some of the powders and have ago, fingers crossed as it seems to get him down.
darkbrowneggs

Yes its very debilitating for them, as I say my dog rolls over, all paws at the ready in the air, and a look of dreamy anticipation on her face

I get my Calendula powder direct from Mistrys

http://www.houseofmistry.com/shop/calendula-powder-p-70.html
Polly

darkbrowneggs wrote:
Ok it sounds like mites to me, for some reason vets do not always pick up on this. †

You could try Thornit powder which you can get off t'internet. †Its quite expensive, but cheaper than going to the vet, but it doesn't last all that long, especially on a Great Dane.

My dog (and cat) seem to pick them up fairly frequently (we have probably got mangy foxes here) †and just lately I have been using Mr Mistry's Calendula Powder with good effect - its a talc for humans with potentised calendula in as well, and I think it works because it dries the mites up (they like it damp) and the calendula sooths and promotes healing

You will need to apply it daily between paws, rubbing so it is well covered underneath between the pads and on the top between the toes and a bit less frequently in the ears so it doesn't build up to a gunky mess. †A quick puff in the ears then rub behind the ears so it goes down a bit

Check the tummy area as well and if there is any redness a bit there is good

My dog loves having it done as I think it makes her feel much better, I only have to show her the bottle and she rolls over ready for annointing. †

Also the talc has a better smell than the Thornit which contains sulphur powder and I feel it makes the house a bit smelly, but whichever you choose I think it should do the trick.

Probably diet does create the right acid type conditions for the mite to survive, so maybe try a meat based diet?

I buy meat such as lamb beef chicken or liver from a wholesale type pet suppliers (most will deliver if you buy about £50 at a time, and it is usually only 60p or so a lb and comes frozen so I always have it in.) †Then some days she has Waitrose cheap sliced white bread at 50p a loaf with tinned sardines in oil which helps the coat, but a little codliver oil on the food would do the same. †And household scraps plus cooked veg trimmings to mix with the meat

Its a bit more time consuming than feeding complete dog feed but it seems much better for them - my last two danes lived to nearly 12 and nearly 13 respectively which is a good age for a Dane, and they never need to visit the vets. †This one is 7 and hasn't been since puppy injections


Thanks for this - I was going to suggest the Thornit Ear Powder as we've used it before and found it to be very good but hadn't heard of the calendula so I shall be looking into that!  
darkbrowneggs

Its great for humans too  
conundrum

Thornit is wonderful, I have used it for years. But, the symptoms are also classic of referred pain from the skin problem. Dogs with food allergies often get ear infections....generally yeast, incredibally painful and itchy.

I would get some thornit, but I would also change the food. Do you have a butcher who would give you some bits and pieces, anything raw would be good except marrow bones or large weight bearing bones.  Raw meat is what a dog is meant to eat, it has all the nutrients in a form that the dogs systen can take, and is naturally hypo-allergenic. There is LOADS of info on the internet on natural and raw diets. I (and thousands of others) have been feeding raw for nealry 20 or so years now, I would never ever contemplate giving my dog the crap that in general comes out of bags, that we have been brainwashed to think of as dog food.  OH....and a big benefit....it is usually cheap as chips if you go to the supermarkets when they are charging the meat down, or have a butcher who will throw stuff at you for free.
freckle

Woah woah woah!!

Don't do a multitde of things or you will never find out what the root of the problem is!

What exactly has your vet done with regards investigation? Have any samples/skin scrapes/hair plucks etc been taken? Has the dog had any treatment for the problem yet and if so what were the results-any better/any worse/no change?

Skin conditions are an incredibly complex thing in dogs and need working through methodically. You cannot diagnose something over the internet from such a brief history so be careful who you decide to listen to.

If other things have been eliminated and a change of diet is the next thing to try then the most hypoallergenic is a diet of boiled rice and chicken. A change in diet has to be pursued for 3-4 weeks and the dog must eat that and that alone-no snacks/treats etc as then you aren't excluding everything but the new diet.

I would take advice on sourcing different priced diets but if you're not sure what the problem is-get back to your vet!

Edited to say-or as C above says-go for a raw meat diet!
conundrum

The only thing I would qualify in your post Freckle is the rice, people often forget that it is a grain, and if the dog is grain allergic, it can still be rice that is the culprit although it is one that is more rarely an allergen.
buzzard

he's had ear drops and cleanses from vets which stops him shaking them but I think it's more soothing than healing.
He's now on salmon and rice food but only second day so a while until I know  if there's any difference with change of diet.

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