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kate

how do you teach terriers to hunt rats

How do you teach a terrier to hunt rats?
storm

There is an interesting thread on ratting in the hunting section Kate. Here is a link

http://overthegate.myfreeforum.org/about5216.html

I'm afraid I can't help but someone should be along soon who can :-)
green man

They just do it! get them in a place where ratty has been- say "ratsss" with the emphasis on the s sound and they will do it, you pull away the hard stuff and in they will go , just make sure theres no poison bate around. It's like teaching a baby to suckle they just do :smt111
kate

[quote="storm"]There is an interesting thread on ratting in the hunting section Kate. Here is a link

http://overthegate.myfreeforum.org/about5216.html

I'm afraid I can't help but someone should be along soon who can :-)[/quote]

Thanks storm I saw the pics.  Thats what got me thinking  if you had your first dog they would have no other dog to follow.  Maybe you need to know other pepole to help you get started?
Sumo

It can help if you have an experienced dog to show a pup the ropes Kate, BUT the youngster can bit a bit disheartened with the adult always getting to the rat first.  Ive seen this happen with what turned out to be a very good dog.
Firstly, please please please wait until a pup has its adult teeth before trying it at rat.  Many will go sooner but it only takes one bad bite and the dog may jib before it even gets started.  As soon as my pups were over their jabs i used to take then mouse hunting (now illegal) just to get them clued up that if something moves they can chase it and catch it.  Its also great for their eye/mouth co-ordination which they will need more of later on.  
As has been said, take the dog to an area where rats are known to be.  Go when rats are going to be active, just as its getting dark or at night.  I dont like to encourage a pup too much as i find they get overly excited and race about not really knowing what to do.  Keep walking round until you either find or see a rat, and when it runs the pup should chase after it.  It will possably miss loads to start with but keep at it.  A dog never learnt anything being at home.  If the rat runs under some tin sheet or similar and the pup is keen to get to it, do all you can to either give it another chase or a catch from this spot.  By doing this you will encourage it to mark proficiently.
I love taking pups out on their first few outings.  This was all i did with my first.  The next pups i got were taken along on each hunt from about 5 months old to get used to the noise, hustle and bustle, and livestock etc.  When they had their adult teeth they were let off the leads and did it in their own good time.  And dont worry if your pup is a bit slow to start with.  I bred a pup that went to the Isle of Man about 4 years ago.  She was soo much slower than his first Plummer i became a bit worried she didnt have it in her to rat.  However one day the penny dropped and this bitch has to be seen to be believed.  The two this guy own catch more in a year than anyone else i know.
Be patient, dont get over excited (else your dog will behave like a headless chicken), and keep at it is the best advice you could probably get.
Best of luck  :q37:
kate

[quote="green man"]They just do it! get them in a place where ratty has been- say "ratsss" with the emphasis on the s sound and they will do it, you pull away the hard stuff and in they will go , just make sure theres no poison bate around. It's like teaching a baby to suckle they just do :smt111[/quote]

Are some breeds of terriers better than others? Has the hunting instinct been bred out of them?
kate

[quote="Sumo"]It can help if you have an experienced dog to show a pup the ropes Kate, BUT the youngster can bit a bit disheartened with the adult always getting to the rat first.  Ive seen this happen with what turned out to be a very good dog.
Firstly, please please please wait until a pup has its adult teeth before trying it at rat.  Many will go sooner but it only takes one bad bite and the dog may jib before it even gets started.  As soon as my pups were over their jabs i used to take then mouse hunting (now illegal) just to get them clued up that if something moves they can chase it and catch it.  Its also great for their eye/mouth co-ordination which they will need more of later on.  
As has been said, take the dog to an area where rats are known to be.  Go when rats are going to be active, just as its getting dark or at night.  I dont like to encourage a pup too much as i find they get overly excited and race about not really knowing what to do.  Keep walking round until you either find or see a rat, and when it runs the pup should chase after it.  It will possably miss loads to start with but keep at it.  A dog never learnt anything being at home.  If the rat runs under some tin sheet or similar and the pup is keen to get to it, do all you can to either give it another chase or a catch from this spot.  By doing this you will encourage it to mark proficiently.
I love taking pups out on their first few outings.  This was all i did with my first.  The next pups i got were taken along on each hunt from about 5 months old to get used to the noise, hustle and bustle, and livestock etc.  When they had their adult teeth they were let off the leads and did it in their own good time.  And dont worry if your pup is a bit slow to start with.  I bred a pup that went to the Isle of Man about 4 years ago.  She was soo much slower than his first Plummer i became a bit worried she didnt have it in her to rat.  However one day the penny dropped and this bitch has to be seen to be believed.  The two this guy own catch more in a year than anyone else i know.
Be patient, dont get over excited (else your dog will behave like a headless chicken), and keep at it is the best advice you could probably get.
Best of luck  :q37:[/quote]

I don't own a terrier yet  but who knows Father Christmas may be on this forum and hear my wish. Don't worry, dogs that live with us stay for life no matter how naughty they are.  :reindeer:
storm

I had never heard of a plummer before I came onto this forum. Now I recognise one whenever I see one . What is the best type of ratting dog ?
Sumo

Thats good to hear Kate, especially where terriers are concerned, but i think you misunderstood me.  If your dog gets too excited when ratting it will just run about all over poss yapping its head off and having a great time.  However, this doesnt catch many rats.  Far better the calm dog that is quite methodical, scenting all over in a calm manner and only marking where there are rats present.
I also forgot to add, when a dog does mark under a pallet for example, let it stand where it wants and dont hold it (unless its for its own safety).  It will miss more to begin with but will eventually become a better catch dog if it has worked out what is best for itself.
As regards breeds (and no im not going to be biased  :smt077 ), it depends what your after.  If your just catching up to a dozen rats maybe twice a week then any breed will do.  If your going in for it big time and have vast numbers to go at then you would be best getting one of the breeds that is worked still, Lakie Patterdale/Fell, Border, Russell or Plummer (see i was good and put them at the end  [smilie=pdt_aliboronz_24.gif] )
kate

[quote="storm"]I had never heard of a plummer before I came onto this forum. Now I recognise one whenever I see one . What is the best type of ratting dog ?[/quote]

Maybe any breed as long as it catches rats lots of dogs must do the job not just terriers?
green man

storm wrote:
I had never heard of a plummer before I came onto this forum. Now I recognise one whenever I see one . What is the best type of ratting dog ?


I read a great book about dogs and ratting once, and the author recounted the tale of the little white poodle.

Chap turns up at a rat meet with his poodle, and bet with the author that the poodle would catch more rats than the authors JR, the author took the bet and the poodle turned into a rat murdering machine, the author said he'd never seen anything like it, and he lost his bet, but of course this is the exception not the rule.  people where more inclined to breed for purpose way back when life was hard, and if they found a good'un they bred from it, usually with another good'un, a poor man's dog had to earn his keep :smt111
mogs

i am sure i have read somewhere that poodles were originally bred as hunting dogs.

we are hoping our new little one might be good for ratting too..Meg, B/C is very fast and has killed a few, but only when they have been in the garden, so if van ( corgi ) could maybe flush them out, then meg could kill them....
green man

http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/reading.htm

There are some real good reads out there. :reindeer:
yeeharr

Poodles are superb ratters. Standard and giants are good gundogs too.
Cabbagepatch

yeeharr wrote:
Poodles are superb ratters. Standard and giants are good gundogs too.


You can tie little red bows on them as well yeeharr along with your gee gees ::
barraboy

in their day i believe they were excellent water dogs, they bare a passing resemblance to irish water spaniels.

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