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Seabird

Halal meat

Does it bother you if the meat you buy is slaughtered by halal methods?

I ask this because I heard of someone picking up a pack of beefburgers in our local Asda, and asked the staff what 'HA' in small letters signified. The staff did not know, but a quick search on the internet revealed it meant 'Halal'.

I then found this article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...aughtered-meat-dont-label-it.html

So basically, most restaurants and supermarkets are selling us Halal meat, and don't have to label it as such.

As a reluctant and very picky meat eater I find this just as offensive as a Muslim would when served non-Halal.

The answer, I know, is to buy locally from a trusted butcher, but even then, a local news article this week flagged up The Welsh Food Centre, which sells Welsh food at premium prices having been caught selling gammon which was sourced from Belgium. Their answer? It was 'processed' in Wales!
Toddy

We have abattoirs set up so that not only is the meat inspected for health but supposedly so that the slaughtering is humane.

Is it just me ? or do others wonder just how humane halal is ?

I don't even eat meat, but I do feed it to my husband. I want to know that the beast he's eating not only had a decent, if short, life, but ended it as peacefully as we can manage.

M
Seabird

I eat meat, but like you Toddy, I want to know it's had a decent life and a quick stress free death.

As I understand it, proper ritually slaughtered halal animals have their throats cut without being stunned. A lot of halal meat producers are now saying that their animals are stunned - but how do we verify this?

Restaurants, supermarkets, schools and hospitals are, apparently, now using halal all the time so that Muslims can eat their food.

So hang on a minute! What about those of us who are offended by ritual slaughter? We are being kept ignorant.

I don't know if there are any meat producers on here who sell animals on - how would you feel if your animals were ritually slaughtered without your knowledge?
Border

I'm a large meat eater, and eat meat daily in one form or another.

I would rather have halal meat, then I would have meat that has been slaughtered by shechita the Jewish method of slaughter.

Animals involved the Jewish method, cannot receive any form of pre-slaughter stunningl.
Pilsbury

It doesnt bother me in the slightest,  i know it is cnsidered to be less humane than the normal uk slaugher methods but i think there is probsbly as many bad practices in some UK slaughter houses.
I have heard many arguments for and against in my line of work but have never delved deeply into it but the best reasoning I have heard (not checked if it's true) is that so long as the meat has the correct blessing uttered over it before it is consumed it is considered halal,  this includes saying the blessing over the meal after it is cooked and before it is eaten just as Christians say Grace.....
p.s. I'm pretty sure the ha on the pack is a packing code rather than meaning it's halal, or at least that's the story I heard.
Seabird

Border wrote:
I'm a large meat eater, and eat meat daily in one form or another.

I would rather have halal meat, then I would have meat that has been slaughtered by shechita the Jewish method of slaughter.

Animals involved the Jewish method, cannot receive any form of pre-slaughter stunningl.


But restaurants and catering establishments aren't automatically serving kosher meat across the board. My argument is that we are being served halal without knowing it and without being consulted. According to that article in my original post, supermarkets can sell halal meat without even labelling it as such. And according to the table in the article, not all animals are stunned.
bodger

By choice I wouldn't.
Toddy

That's it.
By choice, I wouldn't buy it for my husband.

Just as well the blighter likes pork then, isn't it ? and venison, pheasant, wild duck and pigeons, and we know the fellow who shoots them, and trust me, it's clean shot.

M
hughesy

The vast majority of halal slaughtered meat in the UK is stunned first. To satisfy the Islamic  custom it is bled by a muslim after stunning, just the same as if it was done non-halal. Pretty much all the lamb you see in the supermarkets has been halal slaughtered. It makes no difference to the meat whatsoever. If you don't want to eat halal meat stick to pork.
HonkHonk

To be perfectly honest I reckon that a lot of meat producers - not all, but a lot will label the meat to whatever is the most advantageous, to whatever the gets the sale, a bit like the way Bodger talked about getting vegetables with an organic label on them but when they are from the likes of Kenya, well how do you know etc. It used to bother me that I may have eaten halal but when I mentioned it to a veggie I know she said something about the animal not being bothered about the method of dying but rather much preferring to be alive  
I must admit I have never looked at the label to see how the animal was slaughtered but always look to see how it was reared.
Seabird

bodger wrote:
By choice I wouldn't.


Exactly

However, it seems that the choice is being taken from us unless we are VERY careful where we buy our meat, and never eat out.
sod

Don't want to eat any of it and don't want all being done that way to suit one lot. All our meat is as they are eating hay or meal ant .22 between the eyes animal drops throat cut 'good un' No stress of travel strange place/smells of fear. If we eat out I always have fish as we can't afford to eat it much   and no meat tastes as good as ours, we take best one   before rest go to works
Pilsbury

It doesnt bother me in the slightest,  i know it is cnsidered to be less humane than the normal uk slaugher methods but i think there is probsbly as many bad practices in some UK slaughter houses.
I have heard many arguments for and against in my line of work but have never delved deeply into it but the best reasoning I have heard (not checked if it's true) is that so long as the meat has the correct blessing uttered over it before it is consumed it is considered halal,  this includes saying the blessing over the meal after it is cooked and before it is eaten just as Christians say Grace.....
p.s. I'm pretty sure the ha on the pack is a packing code rather than meaning it's halal, or at least that's the story I heard.
Border

The link below shows which supermarkets and restaurants sell and mark their meat as halal slaughtered.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodan...-restaurants-sell-halal-meat.html

Halal slaughtered meat in our supermarkets and restaurants is all part of the muslim master plan.

The following is also interesting,

The latest census suggests there are 2.7 million Muslims in the UK, with a spending power estimated in the region of 20bn.
ArmitageCustard

I have given up eating meat because I don't trust where it has come from, I was bothered about the fact that most animals are killed halal and thought to myself why not give up meat all together so I did.
sod

ArmitageCustard wrote:
I have given up eating meat because I don't trust where it has come from, I was bothered about the fact that most animals are killed halal and thought to myself why not give up meat all together so I did.


Fair enought too. I would find it hard to give up but so far have had own and shot on here so know it from birth to plate.
Seabird

ArmitageCustard wrote:
I have given up eating meat because I don't trust where it has come from, I was bothered about the fact that most animals are killed halal and thought to myself why not give up meat all together so I did.


I'm beginning to agree with you. I prefer fish anyway.
12Bore

It's a bit like the horsemeat fiasco, if I'm eating it, I want to be told.
Border

I'm more worried about all the crap that is put in our food, after it has been slaughtered.

Food additives or E numbers, antioxidants, colours, emulsifiers, stabilisers, gelling agents and thickeners, just to name a few.

Fruit and veg that has a shelf life of 10-14 days, take an apple from the garden and see how long that lasts.

Some years ago Ethylene glycol (anti freeze) in Austrian wine.

As long as the short cuts are making money the large producers will continue to use them, while they find new short cuts.

.........but the answer is simple, stop buying meat, fruit and veg at the supermarkets, and go and support your local small producer.
sod

Border agree but must say our biggest super market buys local veg also local fish from place that sells to public. Super market is local owned but part of a group. All meat not NZ is marked
Seabird

12Bore wrote:
It's a bit like the horsemeat fiasco, if I'm eating it, I want to be told.


Exactly
Woodburner

hughesy wrote:
The vast majority of halal slaughtered meat in the UK is stunned first.

ok, now I'm confused. I thought that it wasn't, and that that is why there is so much objection to halal.
Not even suggesting that you are wrong, but if that is the case, just what is everyone's problem with it?
Personally I don't have any problem at all per se with halal, only with badly run or big abbatoires, whatever kind.

I lived in a muslim country for several years, and the vast majority of the meat that I ate in that time, came from animals that had no idea what was about to happen, and quite often had no idea that anything was amiss at all. One that I remember clearly, was munching on the weeds at the base of the tree that it was tied to. I looked away to exchange greetings with someone, and when I looked back moments later, it was dead, not even twitching. Like an idiot, I'd been wondering why it had been tied up there, and while I should have known, I'm sure that it had absolutely no idea.
horace

Years ago me and my dad were in Leeds and walked past the slaughterhouse  we looked in and in one corner there was a rotating crush with a cow upside down with it,s throat cut not a pleasant sight
Seabird

From what I've read recently, animals ritually slaughtered for Halal are mostly NOT stunned first. The criterion being that the animal has to be conscious to hear the prayers being said for it as its throat is cut.

Some supermarkets are stipulating that the animal is stunned first, but then it is not truly Halal then is it?
Border

Islamic halal slaughter requires that the animal has their throat cut and dies by bleeding out, Islam slaughtering can occur both with and without stunning, but in Denmark it only happens with stunning, as that is the law of the land.
Seabird

Border wrote:
Islamic halal slaughter requires that the animal has their throat cut and dies by bleeding out, but according to Islam slaughtering can occur both with and without stunning, but in Denmark it only happens with stunning as that is the law of the land.


Fair enough.

Can anyone clarify what the law is here?

Obviously it is flexible enough to allow for ritual slaughter for Halal and Kosher,  but really, the whole point of my original post is that over the years, legislation has been brought in to protect the animal's welfare up to the point of slaughter, and, somehow it's now all unravelling behind our backs.

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