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jacquie sullivan

Dog Bites

Hi

I was horrified to read in one of the papers this weekend, that a dog owner who really loved her Rottie, when putting her dog in a car which he didnt like at the best of times bit her, evidently prior to this she had heard that the Dog Act had now been updated and all dog bites seen by doctors or medical staff have to be reported, this results in your dog being put down. So she kept it to herself, and tried to treat it, as she was terrified of losing her beloved companion, well unfortunately she became really ill, was rushed to hospital and died of septicemia, her dog was later put down. I t can happen to us all, we may be playing with our dogs and get nipped, go to get it treated, and end up losing our beloved pet. I think this is red tape gone mad, though I believe if a child is hurt by a strangers dog, yes it should be put  down, but what happens if you have a small child, we know they can sometimes tease a dog, by pulling its ears or tail. and there  are certain breeds who will snap, what then.

Jacquie Sullivan
Juli

The actual story

[The above is a clickable link]

There was no mention that I can see that the dog did not like being put in the car.
Border

Re: Dog Bites

jacquie sullivan wrote:
Hi

I believe if a child is hurt by a strangers dog, yes it should be put  down,


Jacquie Sullivan


A very sweeping statement Jacquie,

I don't agree with it at all, putting dogs other peoples dogs down, should in my opinon be looked at case by case.

Why should the dog be put down, if a child is/has teased or mistreated it, it should be the child that recieves a good "talking to" and the parents given a good kick up the arse for allowing it to happen.

All to easy to blame the dog.

I have been around dogs of different breeds all my life (parents were national and international judges and breeders) I have seen very few bad dogs, but I have seen many dogs turned bad, due to the treatment they have recieved at the hands of their owners.
Juli

While on the subject of dog attacks, the Mail and other newspapers use pictures from the Alamy website to "show" pictures of so-called "dangerous dogs".

One that is used over and over again is a picture of a Staffie - used to show "an evil example".  The picture they use is a Staffie, yes, but the photograph was taken at an outside show when the dog was sneezing.

This picture



The owner of that Staffie has been trying, unsuccessfully as yet, to get Alamy to stop using that picture to show "dangerous dogs like this one".

Jacquie, you posted something without knowing the facts and with nothing to back up your statement.

I have posted a link to what actually happened.
jacquie sullivan

Hi

I think this is the same story, but it said at the inquest, that the dog had bitten her before when being put into the car, which is what I meant in my post, but as a dog owner it is still terrifying whatever you do with your dog, i.e grooming or just handling YOUR dog and it happens to snap and that could result in you losing your dog, not because you have reported your own dog but because of other people making a decision about your companion, its a bit like your in a supermarket with your child it acts up, you correct your child either by giving it a smack, the next thing you know is that your child is taken away by Social Services, but at least you have a chance to get your child back, but once a dog is put to sleep, you cannot get that dog back, and you as a dog owner should appreciate this and not gloss over what is actually happening in the here and now, a woman who loved her dog so much, even though it had bitten her because of something the dog didnt like, doesnt mean that
She should have been able without fear of her dog being put down to get medical help for herself. And if you cant see this, as a dog lover how terrifying this new legislation could be, and can only answer this post in a negative way by  only reading a small part, and not the big picture, that a woman who loved her dog gave her life for that dog, and still the law had to be served, WHY :rant:it just makes my blood boil  Jacquie Sullivan
Juli

Jacquie - did you actually read the link to the story?

Nowhere did it say that the dog had ever bitten her before when being put in the car.

Quote:
The inquest heard Brannigan had bitten her once on the right hand as she put him into the back of her car following a pheasant shoot in Craswall, Herefordshire, on August 14 last year.


She died two days later.
jacquie sullivan

[quote="Juli:274897"]Jacquie - did you actually read the link to the story?

[b][i]Nowhere[/i][/b] did it say that the dog had ever bitten her before when being put in the car.

[quote]The inquest heard Brannigan had bitten her once on the right hand as she put him into the back of her car following a pheasant shoot in Craswall, Herefordshire, on August 14 last year.[/quote]

She died two days later.[/quote]

The only differance in your quote and what I read is one WORD before ON the 14TH AUGUST last year, she died this year, the dog didnt like to be placed in the car and bit her twice[b]. But you are still missing the point, that now if your dog bites you and medical staff have to report it, you can say its my dog it bit me, they could take the stand that if a dog bites us, it could bite anyone and be put down regardless Jacquie Sullivan[/b]
jacquie sullivan

Have finally figured out that you can cut and paste on this forum, this is the actual inquest report, and the dog didnt like to be lifted into the car but I am not going to argue, you are still missing the point.

But he added: ‘Miss Banks had been bitten by her dog before with no lasting ill effects.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/a...-case-pet-down.html#ixzz23KZVUmRx
Juli

That is the link I posted.

Nowhere was it said that the dog did not like to be lifted into the car.

And no, I am not missing the point but I believe that you are.

Just as the Mail and other newspapers use that Alamy picture of a sneezing Staffie to show "a dangerous dog".

My dog accidentally bit me last night - do you think I should have her destroyed?
Polly

I'm the owner of 3 Staffordshire bull terriers and in 12 years, we've only had minor accidental bites.  Once was when me and DH were chucking a bone between us and Jessie tried to join in.  She went for the bone at the same time as I caught it and she nipped the end of my finger.  She split the tip of it, nail included and there was blood everywhere - but it was my fault entirely and I wouldn't have considered having her put to sleep because of that.

Another injury was a bit more serious when Jessie and our old mongrel Solo had a fight and DH stupidly tried to prise Jess's jaws off the other dog by putting his fingers in her mouth - consequently, her teeth ended up in his finger!  He spent a night in hospital having the guts of his finger cleaned up and tucked back in and a week in a sling while it got better - but again, entirely his fault.  The nurses that attended to him wanted to know if the dog had been put to sleep or not and he said not because it was his own stupid fault.  They said that was good - cos they were animal lovers and they wouldn't have been very nice to him if he had had her destroyed!  

On the subject of dogs biting other people I am in agreement that every case should be looked at individually.  If a dog has bitten badly for no reason and with no provocation then how the heck can you predict what sort of situation it will be safe in?  Our old Solo turned like that - she attacked a child while we were out on a walk.  The child rode past us on a bike and the dog launched herself at her, growling and barking and snapping.

I had full control of her and was able to wrestle her to the floor but she had no remorse about it at all.  As soon as the vet was open, I took her to be put to sleep.  She was 11 years old and had been showing signs of being inordinately grumpy for a while.  We spoke to the vet at length and she completely agreed with us and we let her go.  

However, our middle dog Molly isn't much for kids.  She actually pinched our friend's little boy on the arm but he was waving his arms over her head and winding her up.  He's been brought up with 4 or more Staffies and is notorious for doing stuff like this and is used to getting the odd nip from 'pack members' as a naughty puppy would.  My friend took the incident in this way and said it was his son's fault.  We do keep Molly away from young children though now - she seems to think she has to be the one to put them in their place now!

There are so many scenarios where dog can bite that you cannot cover them all.  All you can do is be vigilant all the time when your dog is socialising with people from outside their regular circle.  

This poor lady did not need to avoid medical treatment for her bite.  She could have said it was a stray dog and refused to say any more and then monitored her dog closely from then on and continually reassessed him for any deterioration in temperament that could have lead to anything worse.  Now they've both died and it's a terrible shame.  If anything, I blame how unfairly dog attacks are dealt with by the authorities and people who understand very little about canine behaviour.
jacquie sullivan

Hi

Thankyou for understanding, I felt it was important to report onthe Forum, when I read the article I shared it with a friend who has a rottie and a doberman, she is also an Archivist and does reams of research, evidently the inquest is a public record and can be read by us, someone gave evidence, that the rottie didnt like to be lifted into the car, and most of the time when in the pub even when busy the dog was a real softie, it also seems that when she was treated last year, the nurse had said the dog should be put to sleep, like your situation, so this time she felt  she couldnt risk it and paid with her life. But its not going to be easy for dog owners,my bitch doesnt like us grabbing hercollar when someone calls, and has made my OH bleed,  but always have Arnica ready
Jacquie Sullivan
Juli

Jacquie - please read this again.

Quote:
The inquest heard Brannigan had bitten her once on the right hand as she put him into the back of her car following a pheasant shoot in Craswall, Herefordshire, on August 14 last year.

Fearing he would be destroyed for biting her, Miss Banks refused to go to her doctor’s surgery for treatment and instead treated the bite herself at home.

But the following day she became seriously ill with diarrhoea and vomiting after the wound became infected.

She went on to develop septicaemia. A friend finally persuaded her to contact a doctor on August 16 but by then it was too late and, despite receiving emergency medical help, Miss Banks died the same day.


This happened in August  last year.  There have been no reports that I have been able to trace that stated that her dog did not like to be lifted into the car, and no reports that she had ever sought treatment for a previous bite.

No mention at all anywhere that I can find that she had previously been bitten and a nurse had said the dog should be euthanised.

Can you please provide a link to your statement about this?    Because it does not appear to be in any public records anywhere.

Incidentally, arnica is for bruises, not for dog bites that cause your OH to bleed.
milkermel

At age 8/9 i was at a friends house, she had a whipet who did a trick that my friends mum had taught it. Can remember exactly what it is but it made the whipet jump up.  Once we had seen it done of course we had to try especially as we were told not to! so once mum was out of the way we started trying to copy what she had done.  The end result was that I ended up having a section of my gum pulled away and still have a funny scar on the edge of my lip from where the dog jumped up and snapped at me.  Totally my own silly fault and we had told her mum that it was done with dogs claws as we were worried that if they knew it was her teeth that she would be destroyed.  Dog lived to 15 and i learnt that it is best some times to listen to those who know more than i do!
sod

jacquie sullivan wrote:
Hi

Thankyou for understanding, I felt it was important to report onthe Forum, when I read the article I shared it with a friend who has a rottie and a doberman, she is also an Archivist and does reams of research, evidently the inquest is a public record and can be read by us, someone gave evidence, that the rottie didnt like to be lifted into the car, and most of the time when in the pub even when busy the dog was a real softie, it also seems that when she was treated last year, the nurse had said the dog should be put to sleep, like your situation, so this time she felt  she couldnt risk it and paid with her life. But its not going to be easy for dog owners,my bitch doesnt like us grabbing hercollar when someone calls, and has made my OH bleed,  but always have Arnica ready
Jacquie Sullivan

I understand you and except for a very short time in our whole lives have never been with out a dog, both grew up with them both had nips/bites most of hem been working dog/pets farm, guard,hunting types but one we had taken in as owner was having trouble with it in turned growled and bit another one then turned and bit me for no reason one day so I shot it. BUT most other times have been when play with me got out of hand and such things   We don't have that stupid rule here. Just to put things in place we have taken trouble dogs in and sorted them out so don't shoot them easierly.
jacquie sullivan

Hi

its a good job that their are people like you,to pick up the pieces after we as humans screw up dogs. My late father used to say if a dog went for a puppy or and elderlydog, they were not to be trusted On one occasion, he took this dog in from a place called Rotten Row in Petticoat Lane, it was in a terrible state, it seemed cowed, I was about nine, he wouldnt let me near until he got the measure of the dog, a few weeks later we had a three legged whippet called lady, she had very few teeth, her tongue was always visible, and she couldnt walk very fast, this new dog suddenly lounged towards her, my dad appeared, got hold of the dogs back legs, did something, the next minute the dog was dead, I was distraught, but as I grew older got to understand,that he wasnt being cruel. Dogs  some are bad and normally its due to us. Have you ever met a dog that you couldnt help, as it seems now people are delibrately putting aggression into their dogs, dogs should be companions not a weapon. JS
sod

Wise man your father I agree they are family like children only less trouble I only have had 3 that I  have shot most others have gone on to other homes, I say most as we have between 3 to 6 of our own   council limits us to 4 which we have to get a special permits for over 2 but they can't see them all at once     only 3 at moment since Violet died

 This is our latest rescue a cat as parents spit up, he gone she off to Aussy so he needed new home he is deaf and has been spoilt rotten .  
jacquie sullivan

hi

its amazing how animals dealwith disablities, dalmations because they are born white, suffer from deafness, but they found out that if they are born with a wall eye (blue) they are not deaf, evidently its a gene, I believe its the same with cats. I think cats when they are deaf, use there whiskers to get about, but its probably best if they become a house cat.
But yours looks a lovely cat.
JS

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