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freckle

Border Terrier question possibly for Conundrum!

A bit of an odd scenario-wondering whether anyone has any experience of this!!

We have (well my 8 yr old son officially has!) a Border Terrier "pup" who is now 11 months old. When we bought her last Nov/Dec she was fine-no problems with her. As she grew we discovered she had developed a noticable undershot jaw, which was a disappointment as we were hoping to breed from her in the future. However as time has gone on, the fault has become less apparent and has dramatically improved.

On the assumption that this continues as she finishes her growing and does level up, where does that leave us? Realistically I don't think it will and we wouldn't contemplate puppies from her. But if she does finish with a normal bite-what then? Is it a genetic issue since it wasn't apparent from birth to at least 8 weeks (and TBH a lot later!). Is it an abnormality of growth that could be inherited? Or some disproportionate growth of the upper and lower jaws brought about by some environmental factor?

As I said-I don't think it will get there as I don't think she'll have a lot more changes and growing to do now, so it's probably academic but it just got me thinking.....
conundrum

Hi Freckle,

This is a bit of an odd one. Our standard asks for a scissor bite, but with a "level" jaw being acceptable. Usually if the jaw has problems, it is a jumbling of incisors, as we are looking for a shorter muzzle. However, border mouths are prettty good in general.  I have heard of this before though, on a couple of occasions.

I think, it is a tricky one, if it does not at least level up, then breeding from her as you say is not the way to go. If it does, then it's one you have to wrangle with, as any mating would in effect be a "test mating" to see if she carries it genetically.  You would want a male with big teeth and a strong muzzle and bite, and to find out if his line has ever had wrong mouths.

Not breeding from a border is in a lot of ways a good thing in the uk, as they are pretty much ten a penny now, I can remember when they were almost a rare breed, then our little brown (Or blue...lol) secret got out and the world and his wife want them. They are not the breed for everyone, as ( and you may or may not have gotten to this stage yet..lol) they are very prey driven and focused on hunting, and also can try to be dominant in the house with other dogs.

Hope her jaw continues to level, let us know what you decide.
freckle

Thanks Conundrum! She is the replacement for our old BT-we literally had syringe ready for PTS at the end of November and she had already arrived but he lasted another 9 months bless his old cottons. Yes-they are totally different to our biddable (reasonably) well behaved labs!! She is a really petite type-her parents are both workers and equally small but if she's done growing she is even smaller! But she is here for the hunting and killed a whopper of a rat this morning in a split second so she is worth her weight!! (won't mention the tailess rat AKA known as a guinea pig she has also managed to despatch   ) Apparently her dad takes on foxes so the potential is there!! I started training her as soon as she arrived so apart from the terrible recall when something else is going on she is reasonably well behaved!! And they are a lot more tolerant of kids than other terriers I find. Must get a pic sorted.
tlewis

[quote="freckle:277619"]Thanks Conundrum! She is the replacement for our old BT-

I'll be looking for another BT soon and would prefer to get one from a working line and from the U.K.  Any idea where I should start my search and how much I should expect to pay.  I'm a retired school maint. man so don't have a fortune to spare!!
freckle

They are a fetching a pretty high price at the moment around here-a friend recently had a little and sold them all for £650!  
chicken feed

[quote="tlewis:279430"]
freckle wrote:
Thanks Conundrum! She is the replacement for our old BT-

I'll be looking for another BT soon and would prefer to get one from a working line and from the U.K. †Any idea where I should start my search and how much I should expect to pay. †I'm a retired school maint. man so don't have a fortune to spare!!


look up bramblebee border terriers he works & breeds them not sure of his prices but he has usually got a waiting list.

ours are like chalk and cheese mum is a small type as in very small her son is taller (the stud male we used was a show type sm much leggier she had 2 small and 2 tall pups) both have lovely ways and would not be without them.
tlewis

Looks like I will have to look for another breed.  Norwich-Cairn-Australian maybe.

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