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stir crazy

4x4 Advice

Looking to treat myself to a new truck. Need something which will pull the trailer with two horses in it, as 'economical' as possible as will be general getting around car too. have been thinking about LPG VW Toureg.
I have had a diesel frontera and isuzu trooper and loved them both - although thirsty trucks they never let me down.
any pointers appreciated
Woodsmoke

I've got a Freelander Td4 which is pretty good. I fancy the FL2 though, I  must admit, as the FL1s are getting a wee bit long in the tooth & have a few issues. I've heard really good things about the Pathfinder though. Might be worth a look?  
HonkHonk

You can ask as dozen people this and quite easily get a dozen different answers mate.

I currently have a Vauxhall Brava, it is really an Isuzu with Vaux' badges on it, hard to get parts for but a great engine.

My neighbour has had a couple of Ford Rangers and loves them, but his dad wouldn't touch one he swears by his Toyota Hilux.

Personally if I had the cash i'd go for this baby.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LAND-ROVER-...hash=item2558e44b8c#ht_1611wt_937
Border

I would go with a Toyota LandCruiser, maybe not the most economical, but it will get you and your two horses anywhere.
milton

Border wrote:
I would go with a Toyota LandCruiser...


I'll second that  


Border wrote:
maybe not the most economical....



I second that too  
HonkHonk

Border wrote:
I would go with a Toyota LandCruiser, maybe not the most economical, but it will get you and your two horses anywhere.


  Oi Oi mate, and there was me thinking you were a Mitzi' man.
Border

HonkHonk wrote:
  Oi Oi mate, and there was me thinking you were a Mitzi' man.


I'm a hore mate,   mitzi dealers offered me 1200 quid more for my toyota, then the toyota dealers did, so I changed dealers.

I have been very glad for the mitzi, but will go back to toyota when its time to trade the mitzi in.
daddymatty82

disco td5 in my opinion a defender will tow 3500kg's and a disco will pull 4000kg's with ease but then each to its own.
sod

We use a Mitzy l200 2.6 double cab petrol or a 2.5 diesel to tow stock in a horse float and  the same as all the others  do great job but  thirsty, tried lot of others and found same each time either under powered  or thirsty
  All the best
Border

Thats what I have Sod a 2.5 diesel double cab.
I like the double cab, the extra space is ideal for all my gear, coats wellies, shottys, rifles etc. Chuck the dogs in the back and away we go.
The back of mine has a plastic liner, which is handy as in the winter I chuck half a bale of straw in there for the dogs. After a days shooting, and the dogs are wet, they need somewhere, where they can dry off and keep warm at the same time, plus when I arrive home the dogs are dry all the mud and crapp has fallen off them, so they can come straight into the house without the longed haired one chewing my gonads for muckying up her house.
With the liner it's easy to up the high pressure cleaner in there and give it a blast.
Are the l200's fitted with turbos and intercoolers in New Zealand, you can buy them here without either, but I think maybe they would be under powered.


stir crazy

WOW thank you all so much for your advice. now for the fun bit - shopping
Diz

Miss my Landcruiser Amazon. Would get a Petrol engine and convert to Gas. The boot will hold a huge gas tank and still get a shed in. Not at all impressed with the current Navara. Allways got my hand in the wallet. But it tows just about anything I can hitch it to. Once it dies its back to Toyota.

Slainte

Diz
Jonty

Diz wrote:
Not at all impressed with the current Navara. Allways got my hand in the wallet. But it tows just about anything I can hitch it to. Once it dies its back to Toyota.

Slainte

Diz


Not exactly a mechanical question Diz but I had the pathfinder and was constantly replacing the washer jet nozzles.  For a 'robust' vehicle it had the worst washers I've ever experienced. I never had both working at te same time in the two years I had it.  If you used too much additive they clogged up, so you didn't put any in and they were froze up anyway.  Just wondering if the navarra was the same.
Woodsmoke

Heh! That reminds me.............the Freelander washer bottle has been put at the very front of the car, under the bumper. So it almost instantly freezes up the pump & doesn't get any heat whatsoever from the engine or cooling system to defrost it. The result? Unserviceable washers just when you need them the most  
Diz

To be truthful Jonty, the washer is probably the most reliable bit on it . I havn't had to replace that, Yet! You would think that decent and well placed washer system on an off road veh would come high on the priority's.

Slainte

Diz
sod

Border ours are older models but all the same motor wise etc both ours were unturboed but we fitted a turbo from a Pajero to the diesel and man as you say the difference was out of this world   We love the double cab too as its like having a car n trailer only none of the problems   Ours have Tuff Decks too and yes they are great they also get rid of that silly gap between the the front of tray and wheel arch thats a pain to hose out with the canopy on. One big differance here is they are the only one to come out with a limited slip diff as standard in the two wheel drive which mine is so don't need to take the 4wd most times. The 4wd's have it too which most 4wd's here don't have.
Lorrainelovesplants

Weve just got rid of our Peugeot partner van and bought a Mitsubishi Shogun.  We had one before and liked it - handy for the kids (and gran, now) and dog can go in back and can pull a trailer well.  We chose the 2.8 rather than the 2.5 - better engine and the 2.8 dosnt have a timing belt - has a chain instead so no snapping worries.
Depends how much you want to spend - we got a very clean N reg for 1400. (had to search for it, though)
Lorrainelovesplants

landrover freelanders have issues with cylinder head gaskets going.....
Discovery - lots of welding required for older vehicles.

Of course - older models (especially tax exempt ones) are a consideration.
Woodsmoke

Lorrainelovesplants wrote:
landrover freelanders have issues with cylinder head gaskets going.....


Only the 1.8 petrol, Lorraine. As long as they've had the uprated gasket mod' they should be ok...........

Plenty more issues to go along with that one though  
HonkHonk

I have owned a couple of land rovers and was amazed to see the difference in price for spare parts.
As an example; a clutch.

Defender 90 - 110  90

Discovery   250

Freelander  500     (all aprox)

The Discovery I had was probably the most comfortable car car I have driven, but nearly every month as soon as I had my wages in my hand I was replacing or fixing something on it.
Border

HonkHonk wrote:
but nearly every month as soon as I had my wages in my hand I was replacing or fixing something on it.


Thats why the Japs do it better.

Jap 4x4's might be expensive in parts, but you're not fixing them all the time like LR's.
Woodsmoke

Definately have to agree on Japanese build quality!

Even the design of some of the Freelander basics has me scratching my head in disbelief..............for example, that utterly stupid rear window? Whoever approved that design should be taken out & shot at dawn!

And as for the cable-driven electric windows? If I ever come across the bright spark who decided that 1.5mm mild steel cables would have the faintest chance of lasting more than 10 minutes, he's in for a severe fustigation!

Similarly, the idiot who placed the air filter at the back of the engine bay & mounted the cover from underneath with bdooly Allen head screws needs flogging.

And can anyone tell me the reson for the clutch master cylinders having a self-destruct mechanism after 60k miles?

All these things are fundamental design issues. There's absolutely no excuse for getting this kind of thing so wrong

Apart from that, I love it
Border

That sounds like four good reasons to go Jap, WS.

Not saying Japs don't have faults too, just not as many.
Jakey

In my opinion, and I am a Landrover technician, stay away from them!
From an owner's point of view, they are a moneypit.
From a mechanic's point of view they are great to work on.
From a dealers point of view.....kerching!

Japanese is the way to go.
Jakey

Woodsmoke wrote:
Definately have to agree on Japanese build quality!

Even the design of some of the Freelander basics has me scratching my head in disbelief..............for example, that utterly stupid rear window? Whoever approved that design should be taken out & shot at dawn!

And as for the cable-driven electric windows? If I ever come across the bright spark who decided that 1.5mm mild steel cables would have the faintest chance of lasting more than 10 minutes, he's in for a severe fustigation!

Similarly, the idiot who placed the air filter at the back of the engine bay & mounted the cover from underneath with bdooly Allen head screws needs flogging.

And can anyone tell me the reson for the clutch master cylinders having a self-destruct mechanism after 60k miles?

All these things are fundamental design issues. There's absolutely no excuse for getting this kind of thing so wrong

Apart from that, I love it


I refer you to my post.
chickenstu

I used to do a saturday morning at the local 4x4 sales place- he shifted alot of motors. He would buy in a warranty for anything with a land rover badge, but would put his own on anything else.

We have a 3.1 Trooper- they are very basic, but tow very well, and it has never let me down yet. The down side is it is thirty (anything from 22-28 mpg)- but name a proper 4x4 that is not? But the 3.1 is probably getting to old for what you are thinking of, and the 3.0ltr td that replaced the 3.1 had realibility issues.

If I could afford it I would buy a Landcruiser- either  a colorado or the best 4x4 on the planet IMHO - the mighty amazon. But everyone knows how great they are and they fetch daft money. The size of them might put some folks off though.

I know some folks have a lot of passion for land rovers, and they do have their appeal- but you just hear to many horror stories about them.
chicken feed

just got back from the great yorkshire show and checked the mpg on our isuzu rodeo 2.5 (chipped) we got 29 mpg towing a trailer, the trailer was well loaded so we are quite impressed, we have had 35 on a normal run without the trailer.

my first choice of motor is our defender its old reliable and will go anywhere. but for comfort and reliability the isuzu is my oh's first choice to jump in.

we have looked at the new VW pick up but oh thinks it it under powered, will have to test drive before we decide on another isuzu or the vw.
HonkHonk

Jakey wrote:
In my opinion, and I am a Landrover technician, stay away from them!
From an owner's point of view, they are a moneypit.
From a mechanic's point of view they are great to work on.
From a dealers point of view.....kerching!

Japanese is the way to go.


Jakey, what do you think of the Spanish Landy - The Santana?

I know they have 2.8 diesel engine, Iveco I think, but all the rest is that just the same as a Landy or are they their own manufactured parts? are they more reliable or should they be avoided too?
Cheers mate.
Jakey

Can't really say I've had anything to do with them, other than seeing them whilst on holiday in Spain.

What little I do know about them is that they are a bit of a mongrel...L/R gearbox, Iveco motor, the transmission resembles L/R stuff, but isn't.

It effectively appears to be a Defender clone body on a series clone chassis.

A lot of pukka L/R hybrids use this set up (Series chassis /  Def body) , mainly in order to get a modern looking, tax exempt truck.

The good thing about any Landrover is that spares are readily available, can the same be said for Santana?
HonkHonk

hmmm decisions decisions! thanks for the reply mate.

some food for thought there.
desperatedan

I have run a toyota amazion  for about five years  it pulls a 12ft traylor   with two decks of sheep no trouble ,i used to run landrovers  but no way i would go back to them.i
HonkHonk

It does seem to be the trend, once you try Jap you dont go back.
chickenstu

My Father In Laws Shogun is in for crash repair and he has been given a Kia Sorento on Hire- fair play it is a nice car, not sure of the long term realiability on them, but its seems very well put together. The new 2.2 only tows 2.8 tonnes, but the old 2.5 td and the 3.5 v6 will tow more and looking on the internet they can be picked up fairly cheap as well.
Jakey

If you are intent on a Landrover inspired 4X4, you could do a lot worse than look at a Suzuki Jimny.

They are effectively, a miniaturised, reliable, well put together Landrover.
The Japanese always do a good job of copying and improving an existing design, as the British motorcycle industry discovered to it's cost in the 1970's.
Landrover have done what Triumph, BSA, Norton et al did: - stick with an outdated product and only improve things slightly when the competition steals a march on you.

I'd have one in a flash if it would fit in my garage.
HonkHonk

I did actually look at one, I went to a local dealer with a tape measure in my hand to see how big the boot area was regarding my dog box, I didnt need the tape  -  there aint a boot really  

Beleive it or not I even rang Suzuki and suggested they build a Jimny double cab pick up, they said they'd get back to me but never did.

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