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Fish and Gareth's boat building thread. A.K.A Kingfisher.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Fish and Gareth's boat building thread. A.K.A Kingfisher. Reply with quote

Greetings to one and all,

I'm taking a bit of a liberty here, as the great boat building weekend is still eight weeks away, and is scheduled for the weekend of 11th-14th of May. However Fish and I have been on about this since last November. Members of three forums (Over the Gate, GWBT, and Predator fishing UK) are now aware of this pending escapade, but I thought that I would blog it on this forum. Hopefully we will capture all of the events, elation's, trials and tribulations as they arise during the weekend on Digital stills photographs and digital video. For personal reasons, I have been really looking forward to this weekend, ever since I first suggested it.


So here is a summary of progress to date.

Nov. 06
Fish suggests on P-F UK http://pikesox.proboards102.com/index.cgi that he is considering purchasing a canadian style canoe from ebay. Gareth chokes on his tea, reading that Fish is willing to part with his hard earned, and that the Autumn's brew of rough Zider has totally unhinged Fish.
Gareth informs Fish that he can build one for about 80-90 from the free plans on the internet at http://www.svensons.com/boat/


Dec.06
Gareth tells Fish of the five boats that he has built to date. Three as child with his father, and then the two that Gareth built as an adult with his own son during 2002.
In a chronological order. Gareth and his father during the 70s; A woven willow and plastic sheet covered, coracle, a plywood half punt/half Jonboat, and a proper woven willow and tarred skin covered coracle. In 2002 Gareth and his son built a plywood pram utility rowing boat 'Kingfisher' and a plywood jonboat.

A discussion continues and Gareth volunteers to drive the 250+ miles from Norwich to Stourhead to help Fish build a boat during a spring weekend in 07. Gareth needs another project completing that Fish is eminently qualified to execute, and so an exchange of labour deal ensues.

Jan 07.
Gareth comes out of (very) early retirement/self unemployment, obtaining a job as a boat builder for one of the larger boat yards in Wroxham, Norfolk. Gareth is not a professional boat builder, but a professional Agricultural engineer. However the boatyard requires a 12/24 volt electrcian/engineer/fabricator/ welder, all of which Gareth is suitably qualified and fully experienced in. So Gareth is offered the Job and begins work during the first week of January.
Internet chat continues between the two friends who have yet to meet, and a bit of a pi&&ing contest begins over home-made Zider and Mead, etc. With a home-made Mead exchange and comparison now featuring as a major part of the boat building weekend. Gareth suggests that the Plywood 'Kingfisher' would be a more viable boat for fish and his family to use, and a lot less complicated and a quicker to build.
Kingfisher can be built in two variations. Rowing/motor and sailing. and with the addition to the build plans of a removable rudder, can be used either as rowing/motored or sailing boat.
and this has what has been agreed on. Giving the Fish clan the opportunity to have and enjoy the pleasure of a utility, come fishing, come sailing dingy. Something for one and for all.

http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=RowBoats/KingFisher

Late Jan 07.
Gareth meets Elaine on one of the internet dating sites, and a relationship develops. Gareth and Fish continue to exchange chat about the now confirmed boat building weekend.

Feb. 07.
Gareth starts and completes lofting the scaled drawings and plans of Kingfisher to full size

Late Feb. 07.
Gareth and Elaine have one of those tiddly, pissed and playful weekends, and with the exception of one last remaining bottle of home-made mead, consume the lot.

March 3rd 07.

The predator group, and Usual suspects pay tribute, and honour the life of their friend Gerry Castles, who died in december. By fixing a wreath at one of Gerry's favourite fishing spots on Oulton Broad, Near Lowesoft, Suffolk.

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March 07.
Gareth starts another 4 gallon batch of home-made mead, this time using proper mead making yeast instead of cheap bread making yeast. Hopefully it will be ready in time for the up and coming great event (and hopefully go better than 11% ABV this time).

10th of March 07.
The lofted drawings are still on the side in Gareth's room, and he remembers that he should get around to the vilage post office and post them to Fish. Hopefully the required temporary frames and tressles can be knocked up prior to the event. Gareth has recently had to give up, and retire his beloved engineering industry standard air powered tools, because the boat yard no longer has the compressor to power them. So he goes out and purchases 14 different cordless power tools, two main's chargers, five batteries and quiet a few accessories from the Ryobi one plus, professional 18 volt range. http://www.ryobipower.co.uk/oneplus/index.htm

These will be extremely useful for the boat building weekend, several of Gareth's other up and coming projects, his main and secondry employment, and the vast majority of any future DIY projects that he may embark upon

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep the diary going - this will be read by many.....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we'll be watching this thread with great interest! :-)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to meet one of the participants in this pantomime.

That is me, Gareth.
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Today, I have been working out the quanities of srews, nails, and glue required for Kingfisher. I have decided to go for stainless steel wood screws for corrosion resitance, and durabiltity, and because they will not be as easily damaged as Brass screws during the build. I have had a look around some internet sites regarding suitable glues and adhesives and have choosen the following from screwfix.
http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/c...A336180&ts=51317&id=79242
I have choosen this product because it is specified as resistant to sea water, the grab time, the open joint time, and it suitability for use on other materials, such as plastics and metals. We will require approx 1400g of ahesive , so I have also taken into account the quanity in the bottles (2 X 750g bottles), the price and its availability. So it should be more than capable of handling freshwater and man handling, during launching and roof racking, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7 weeks left to go and counting.
18th March 07

Well,

I've not done much this week regarding 'Kingfisher,' apart from look at the specifications of stainless steel screws. Again after searching the internet Screwfix looks to be the best supplier for the quantity of screws that we require for this project.

The drawings are still on the side in my room. I really do have to drag my ass around to the local village post office 400 metres away and get them in the post to Fish. However, I have started off another 10 gallons of mead. This time I have followed the instructions from my little home-brew book, and so an extremely good brew is expected. It may be a little young, but cheeky brew of mead when the great weekend arrives, hopefully standing up in good stead against Fish's more experienced mead brewing efforts.

I have also ordered and received my Ryobi One + 18 volt cordless tool set from Machinemart, and so we now have 14 different cordless tools, 5 batteries, and 3 chargers to play with over the boat building weekend. The cordless plane, and orbital sander are not released in the United Kingdom by Ryobi until mid April, so these two items are now on order.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six weeks left and counting.
24th March 07

Well, it has been one of those weeks. A little apprehension on both Fish's and my parts. Nothing too serious, but hurdles that had to be crossed nonetheless, resulting in a friendship strengthened.

Also this week, I got to play with all my brand new Ryobi tools at work. We took a new Sumatra 755 bare hull into the boat build shed for me to be getting on with.

http://www.barnesbrinkcraft.co.uk/sumatra/sumatra755.htm

Had a great time drilling, cutting, screwing, sanding and the like.

This morning, I eventully got around to walking the 400 meters to the village post office and posting off the lofted to full size stem, transom and frame drawings.

Now I have to find the CD rom with boat plans on. it really shouldn't be that hard, as I live in a 10 X 12 foot room. However I am your typical single 40 something male, and so hunt the CD may turn into a major undertaking.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look under the underpants on the floor if not try under the breakfast plate from last wednesday. If all else fails then it is time for the annual tidy up :laughing5: :laughing5:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are now at T minus 4 weeks and counting for the big event.

Work is extremely busy with the start of the holiday season, and I am spending most of my time on hire fleet duties. Therefore I have become lazy. So rather than type out an entry for this week, I am cheating by copying and pasting an earlier message to Fish.

Greetings Mate,

Have you got your plots sorted yet, last I heard you were thinking of Carrots and Parsnip, and installing the netting for all those yard of Peas you are planting.

Me? I'm up to my usual tricks. Since breaking up with Elaine, I have got back on the dating horse again and I'm back out there. Having dated and Indian nurse, a Chinese health care worker, a Brazilian dance teacher (I got a slap from her, for asking if a real Brazilian, has a real Brazilian), an Eurasian shop worker, a Californian female Professor of Chemistry, a red haired Caledonian (Scottish to you) teacher, a French I. T mangeress, a Danish artist, and the local Gothic Vampiress complete with tattoos and piercings (she was lots of fun).

So as you can see I'm working my way through the Alphabet; A= American (Californian), B= Brazilian, C= Chinese, D= Danish, E= Eurasian, F= French, G= Gothic, (I just need to fill the gap H for Hispanic), I= Indian, J= Jock (the Caledonian). Then I can move on to K,L,M,N,O, etc. Although Q might be a little difficult. Hopefully an Aussie from Queensland, and not a pre/post op "Queen."


Back to boat building, and Kingfisher.

Well mate, we are now at T-minus 4 weeks and counting. I'm going to place the order with screwfix for the glue, etc. in a few days and have it delivered straight to you. Tonight, I will make a special effort to find the CD rom with plans on and get it copied and posted to you. I would like you to take a look at the plans on t'internet, bearing in mind that we are making the sailing version.

http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=RowBoats/KingFisher

Change of plan

I have now found the CD rom and will mail it to you tomorrow morning. But still look at the plans on T'internet, also look at Jonboat

http://www.svensons.com/boat/?p=Utility/JonBoat

Kingfisher is 9 foot long, Jonboat is 12 foot long. Jonboat is easier and cheaper to build but will need care to convert it to a sailing version. As we would have to make it up as we went along. Your choice matey.

Gareth.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are a couple of pictures of Sonata 3, one of the Sumatra 755's that I have built. She is now a part of the company's hire fleet, and as I write this, a family is enjoying a holiday upon her.

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For those of you who are interested, here is a link to the Barnes Brinkcraft holidays afloat web site.
http://www.barnesbrinkcraft.co.uk/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

11th of April 07.


During the last 24 hours Fish and myself have exchanged quiet a few PM's regarding the boat building weekend, and we have decided not to build Kingfisher the 9 foot plywood pram. Instead we are going to build a 12 foot Jonboat.

There are several reasons why we have come to this agreement. The Jonboat is; longer and wider and so more roomy, is more stable, is a simpler design, using less materials, quicker to build, lighter in weight, and less expensive.

Other advantages are; the plans also show you how to optimise the plywood sheets with a pre cut component layout. This makes things easier as I can process the more complex pieces at work using the bandsaw, saw table, thicknesser, planers and detail sanders in the timber mill. These bits will also fit into my car along with all my other stuff, and so I can transport them with me. The advantage there being the time on the ground at Fish's, allowing for some serious Zider and Mead drinking.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12th of April 07.

A stroke of luck today, as I have managed to aquire, free of charge 2 gross of 3/4 No 8 and and 2 gross of 3/4 No 10, countersink, A2 grade stainless steel wood screws. These will be suitable for holding the plywood skin to the wooden frame of the boat. There is also the chance of other sizes and lengths of wood screws in A2 Stainless steel.

A2 is not a grade that we use at work, A4 is the proper marine grade, but A2 stainless steel will be more than adequate for a boat that is only going to be used occosionally, and stored out of the water
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long do you envisage from start to finish for your project Gareth ?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi CW,

I intend to actually put no more than 30 man hours into the build. From Marking out, cutting, building and skinning. This will be done over the long weekend of the 11th-14th of May. With me and Fish working flat out in front of a live webcam feed. It should only take us all day Saturday, and until about 2pm on the Sunday. If I get the opportunity to put a sander across the boat, I will. Otherwise the Sanding, Varnishing, and finishing is down to my mate Fish. Although I will not see the boat completed in person, nodoubt Fish will send me/us digital photos, and I have every intention of driving back down to Wiltshire in the Autumn so that the two of us can enjoy some Pike fishing from her.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

15th of April,

Fish and I have been exchanging PM's regarding the boat build this week. I am also trying to encourage him to participate in this thread, giving his own thoughts, views and perspective.

As you will have already read, we are no longer gong to build the Plywood pram, and are now going to build a plywood Jonboat. I have already listed some of the advantages, but I am now going to add to this list.

Fish, Mate! first of all ignore all of those hand prepared drawings that I have sent to you. They are for the Plywood pram dingy. Put them back into the plastic drawings tube, and I will collect them.

Jonboat

Right mate, remember what we exchanged in the PM's and on the phone? Well, here it is again. You concentrate on the frame and a making a couple of temporary trestles. I will concentrate on most of the plywood. I have spoken to my Boss, and can process most of it in the timber mill at work, during lunchtimes. I now have planner/thicknessers, circular saws, band saws, cross cut saws, etc. to play with. I will process 2 of the three sheets of plywood used for the boat's skin and internal supports. Basically the Stem, the transom, the two sides and the fiddly bits. I have had a measure up, and can fit all these bits into my Peugeot estate and bring them with me. This should save us at least 4-6 hours on the ground at your place, allowing more time for Mead & Zider drinking. [smilie=pdt_aliboronz_24.gif]
You will need to organise one sheet of 1/4 plywood for the bottom of the boat (see attached file), and the materials for the framework. I will go through the list again one evening this week, and will send you a corrected list of timber that we will need. I will do the rest of the plywood here in Norfolk next weekend.

Here is the layout of the plywood sheets;







I have nearly finished organising the quantity of Glue, screws and nails required, again leave this to me.

Other developments.

I have been out and purchased myself a new digital Camcorder with its own hard disk drive. It can record for over 9 hours continuously, and if I figure out how to play it simultaneously through my lap top, we should be able to use as a constant live feed webcam at the sametime. Hopefully I can set up a host site, with a link from here for all Over Tthe Gate, and Predator-fishing UK users to watch us in action. ::
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've seen today just give fish a big enough log and he'll soon whittle you a boat.............. :-)
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