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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Gareth - this is really for you...  Reply with quote

After buying the LIDL green waterbutt pump, I now have time to set it up.
This is what Id like to do.....
Place waterbutt on a stand next to bathroom outside wall.  use water from butt (via pump) to fill loo cistern.
So - I know how to sort the waterbutt, and John can drill a hole in the wall etc.

The tricky bit is getting the pump to run automatically to refill the cistern.
John is suggesting a microswitch.

Anyone done this?
Gareth - it sounds like a thing you would do....
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why use the pump to refill the cistern?  just use the pump to refill the butt if and when necessary (it will pump water up to a height of 5 metres).

Gravity and the ballcock should suffice.............. no electrickery involved

Get John to make a stand so that the bottom of the water butt is the same height or higher than the top of the cistern.

Connect water butt to cistern via the ball cock. ..........Job done.

If you are canny, John could get away with using the materials and the making of the stand as part of one of his welding & fabrication courses. Although I would invest in a couple of good coats of corrosion resistant undercoat and top coat paint........ these are your people for cheap paint: http://www.regalpaints.co.uk/  and if you are using a lot of paint like I do, then use the drop down arrow in the litres/price box and you will see the price for quantities of 20 litres instead of just 5 litres (finding that option 6 months ago has saved me a fortune)
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he now says he want the pump for pumping to the polytunnel (from water butt to a butt inside the polytunnel) as the distance is further.
He says he will get a caravan pump type thing to do the water butt.  i will point out the gravity thing you mention to him.

Thanks - always good to run things past a fellow inventive type person.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why use a pump for the poly if you set it up as gareth said then put the waterbutt in the poly lower than the one at the bathroom fit a tap on the hose to the poly and gravety will do the rest
Tip fit the hose to the bathroom loo  at the bottom of the butt and the hose for the poly half way up and then when you turn the tap for the poly it will not completely empty the butt if like me you forget to turn it off
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is water coming from to fill the butt? We are putting 3 1000litre ones in ground under deck for rain water to do garden. REASON in ground in ground is because the rules and regs.here  to put 1 tonne load up off ground over1metre are   so will use  pump with float to  get water out when needed
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have 3 butts at the big shed.  This is across the yard and about 50yds from the house where the bathroom is.  So the idea is to put one butt next to the house to collect the water from the roof.
The 3 butts at the big shed collect water from the roof and a pipe can be fed along the ground (under the hedge) and to the polytunnel which is about 30 ft away.  the water pipe would have to run along the ground for safety and logistical reasons, and then stored in another butt in the tunnel.
So, a pump of sorts would be required to move the water as there is an uphill lift at the end.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hope it rains soon as we are running out of water   i have a shed with a sink in it and we have put a butt on top of 8 pallets so it is high enough to feed the sink by gravity  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

goodlife wrote:
i hope it rains soon as we are running out of water   i have a shed with a sink in it and we have put a butt on top of 8 pallets so it is high enough to feed the sink by gravity  



Like here needed rain now month later plenty+ nearly every day  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sod wrote:
goodlife wrote:
i hope it rains soon as we are running out of water   i have a shed with a sink in it and we have put a butt on top of 8 pallets so it is high enough to feed the sink by gravity  



Like here needed rain now month later plenty+ nearly every day  


Same for us here in Norfolk, we are already irrigating the garden from the IBC's and water butts. We have just bought and installed an Aldi 100 litre water butt on the front porch, and before this month is out we will probably be pumping bath water into the IBC tank nearest to the house. We have recently taken to using Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) in the bath water twice each week, and apparently this is very good for crops such as Potatoes, Tomatoes, Peppers and most other veg and flowers.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

didnt know Aldi did waterbutts.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garath hope you arn't into same summer as we just had
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lorrainelovesplants wrote:
didnt know Aldi did waterbutts.


Aldi currently have on offer a (dark) Green plastic 100 litre capacity water butt, complete with tap, guttering kit and stand for £19.99

I wanted to use yet another 100 litre bright blue plastic (mango chutney) barrel, but I was told in no uncertain terms    that it was not going next to the front door. So really £20 is not all that expensive when it helps to keep the peace.


A little tip: Plastic barrels and buckets can be covered in strips of 2 or 3 inch wide (cheap) decorators/painters masking tape, which can then be painted with an exterior wood stain to give a wooden barrel type of effect

Cover the barrel/bucket/tub, etc. with masking tape; wet the strips of tape in luke warm soapy water to help slide them into position, and rub away any excess water, creases and bubbles formed under the tape with a rubber edged grouting scraper, and then allow it to fully dry out for a few days before covering with a coat or two of exterior wood stain.......... don't be too fussy about any sags, runs or brush stroke marks in the stain as these will make it look even more realistic. You should end up with something that will handle the British weather and still look good for 3-4 years.  

I did several white 10 litre plastic (food) buckets this way for my daughter's bedroom balcony and they looked good and lasted for at least 3 growing seasons.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have used the same system for a few years  now except we ars lucky enough to have a flat roof near the downstairs  bathroom . We have got one of those 1000lt square tanks on the roof which is filled by rainwater, a pipe is plumbed into the feed to the cistern, a shutoff valve on both pipes so we can swap over if  necessary. We use a submersible pump to fill it from our other tanks if there has'nt been enough rain. Works a treat, good luck with yours  


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